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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2012 at 19:59
Originally posted by gameplayer gameplayer wrote:

in my opinion, you should be allowed to babysit as many accounts as u are willing


wouldn't this be too easy to exploit.  I could create several accounts with several diffeent email address and then claim I am sitting them.

It would also give me an unfair advantage over players who decide not to exploit the rules.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2012 at 20:00
there is 24 hours in a day, u could be alot more! give rill a few more accounts!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2012 at 21:27
I don't know what H is complaining about, but Rill gets trolled 10 times more than them. Considering that most of those trollish posts come from 'New Posters' with very few posts, one would think somebody out there really has a lot of time for babysitting multiple accounts.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2012 at 23:01
"Most of those trollish posts"?

I saw only 2 New Posters and only 1 of those with so few posts that you might consider he fell into your category above and even then he wasn't trolling Rill specifically or replying to her directly. Just giving an opinion in fact (their own words).

And I didn't see anyone from H in this thread or anyone posting about them before now.

IMO the only person trolling here is you - by trying to turn an important discussion about account-management into political brownie points. In reality there are very few H? members who participate in the public forum and for good reason. There are very many alliances in Illy but somehow people with an axe-to-grind prefer to constantly drag 1 alliance into as many threads as you can regardless of how irrelevant that alliance is to the thread in question.

Hypocrisy ftw.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2012 at 07:56
Originally posted by Rorgash Rorgash wrote:

i have been sitting a account for quite some time, so that if needed i can help him out, he is active tho, so i usely dont do anything, but i check in some times to make sure he isnt running out of food or gold, been sitting it for a few months now, just no reason to cancel it

Rorrorgash this is just one of the troubles Dev’s would have administering a policy regarding account sitting.  

1.       Extended sabbatical. I am familiar with an instance where an individual was leaving for an assignment of a year or two. Think about what would happen to this player’s account if they couldn't have a sitter. It would get listed as inactive, probably get kicked out of an alliance if it had one, then the city would be seen as abandoned by the community and looted/pillaged or worse razed to make room for a new player… and no one would be able to tell of the injustice of this action. As I understand it, the aforementioned event had an unfortunate ending. The sitter was subsequently accused (reported to the dev) of using this as a multiple account, this caused the sitter to cancel the arrangement, and then the cities were sieges, and upon returning to their devastated account the player left the game.

2.      2.   Alliance management. Simply having a back door into alliance management is important. I can recall an instance where an officer was on vacation for a week or so. During that time an important event came up and we didn’t have access to any of the officers with the alliance control required.

3.       3. It is an exploit not a Cheat. Keep in mind this is not a violation of the rules. Just remember that if you use it as an exploit you are “less of a player”. That being said Exploits can be ways around Bugs… and then we need to ask ourselves how much of an exploit it really is.

4.       4. Times of Crisis. I recall having read somewhere not having the ability to sit accounts caused several problems for an alliance when it was at war (I think it was the Harmless [H?]/White [W] war) the use of Sitting accounts has allowed alliances to protect alliance members who weren’t able to log on 24/7. 

perhaps a limitation on the extent an account can be sat without the owner logging in needs to be established but in any case this is up to the developers to design and implement. furthermore such a policy would have no impedance on players who use this as an exploit. they probably log in every 24 hrs just to get the prestige bonus. so i guess the question is how can you design a policy which enforces the spirit of the law and not (just) the letter of the law. If Stormcrow could do that, he really would be God... then Rill and i would have a knockdown drag out battle for his heart. 

      Copy Past from word = massive fail :-( (on a side note way too many emoticons, where is the simple frown face)

     Further reference:

Exploit vs. cheat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_(online_gaming) & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games

War with White (http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/history-of-harmless-and-war-declaration_topic854.html)




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2012 at 14:41
Originally posted by Createure Createure wrote:

"Most of those trollish posts"?

I saw only 2 New Posters and only 1 of those with so few posts that you might consider he fell into your category above and even then he wasn't trolling Rill specifically or replying to her directly. Just giving an opinion in fact (their own words).

And I didn't see anyone from H in this thread or anyone posting about them before now.

IMO the only person trolling here is you - by trying to turn an important discussion about account-management into political brownie points. In reality there are very few H? members who participate in the public forum and for good reason. There are very many alliances in Illy but somehow people with an axe-to-grind prefer to constantly drag 1 alliance into as many threads as you can regardless of how irrelevant that alliance is to the thread in question.

Hypocrisy ftw.

Createure, I did not mean that H was doing something or involved in anything. I said rill gets trolled more than H. There was no motive for any political brownie points. My apologies if it sounded differently. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2012 at 14:46
And sorry for derailing the thread. I responded when i felt that some people were targeted. 

Please carry on..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2012 at 20:28
I sit an account for a player who goes away on 3 month long jobs (at sea) where he doesn't have the time or internet access to play the game, but he always comes back and plays the game faithfully for the months when he's at home. He also buys a ton of prestige, so he's a desirable player from the developers point of view. He told me he'd left once without assigning a sitter and basically had to start over due to the damage done to his account (theft, siege), so I think this is a good and valid case for a sitter being needed for a big chunk of time, and I really am just sitting his account and following his instructions. I don't know how the developers can prevent sitters from running accounts of players who have left the game without also punishing players in a situation like the above.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2012 at 20:52
what they need to do is make a vacation option and have prestige pay for it, everything should be prestige paying in this game, that way only people willing to invest money into the game should gain advantage
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2012 at 20:55
iv been playing this game for a year now, and whats up with the increase in Trolls? "frowns at Gameplayer"

Edited by Rorgash - 22 May 2012 at 20:56
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