No-Claim Land Claims

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   I just read the alliance page of the head alliance in illyriad (Dark Shade)which reads they will honor no land claims. Which brings to mind the question, Is a land claim only as good as what you can back militarily? Are those who are in a confed ready to fight for your land claim as well? 

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Thorn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List New Poster Joined: 01 May 2015 Status: Offline Points: 10	Post Options Post Reply Quote Thorn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 16:34
	I just read the alliance page of the head alliance in illyriad (Dark Shade)which reads they will honor no land claims. Which brings to mind the question, Is a land claim only as good as what you can back militarily? Are those who are in a confed ready to fight for your land claim as well?

twilights Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 21 May 2012 Status: Offline Points: 915	Post Options Post Reply Quote twilights Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jun 2015 at 17:18
	as an indivdual account, i totally support this new strategy and urge all that made land claims to adopt this feature...with new knowlegde and insight being discovered in the gaame itself there is no need for war drums and this new type of claim should be respected and no need for those to continue planning their gang bang...congrats tvm!

ajqtrz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 24 May 2014 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 500	Post Options Post Reply Quote ajqtrz Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jun 2015 at 17:00
	While I still disagree with the basic premise upon which this has been done, I do appreciate that TVM is making some sort of effort to find a mechanism by which players can have, if not total freedom, at least partial freedom to settle where they wish. The mechanism of enforcement is still limited to large players enforcing the claim themselves and thus a technique largely restricted to alliances large enough to do so. I'm wondering if it might be better to have a procedure and set of criteria in place by which an alliance can lay claim to some part of Illy, and an agreement amongst all for the enforcement of that agreement, rather than individual alliances making their own rules, regulations and enforcement policies. But TVM at least appears cognizant of the problems and that's a step in the right direction. Kudo's to TVM AJ

Jejune Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 10 Feb 2013 Status: Offline Points: 1015	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jejune Report Post Thanks(2) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jun 2015 at 11:02
	Yesterday, the TRIVIUM alliance went live with an alliance land claim in the Broken Lands. While alliance land claims are not new, this current initiative is involving a larger number of alliances, all of which are experimenting with new and different claim models and policies. I've said all along that the idea is an evolving one, and the more participation in the evolution of the model, the better the end result will be. TVM's claim model is unique in that it enforces two "zones" -- the inner "Zone 1" is a traditional alliance claim that, with noted exceptions, puts a freeze on the influx of new, non-aligned cities. However, "Zone 2" is what TVM calls a "claim-free zone." This outer ring remains open to non-aligned accounts for settlement, but discourages other alliances from making claims within the zone: "Any land claim attempted within the borders of this exclusionary zone will be considered null and void. Any land claim enforcement attempted within the borders of this exclusionary zone will be countered by the full force of TRIVIUM." I suggest that TVM has put into play a potentially interesting alternative to the traditional claim. It allows alliances who are ideologically opposed to land claims because of their restrictions on allowing free, non-aligned settlements to enforce a region around their clusters that would discourage rival claims. There are pros and cons to this claim model: Pros: It gives land claim opponents an official mechanism for curtailing player-restrictive claims from being established around or near their PACs (Prominent Alliance Clusters). It allows non-aligned players to settle in areas near a PAC, potentially opening up future recruitment opportunities. It gives the claiming alliance a softer, more iterative step toward expanding a claim in the future. Cons: The "no-claim" land claim allows rival alliances to freely position hostile cities near or in a PAC. There is little to no recourse in dealing with the establishment of a PAC with no official claim in a "no-claim" zone. As with claims of all types, its veracity is only as strong as the alliance's ability and willingness to enforce it. I would encourage BL alliances to consider this new model. Assuming that a no-claim alliance land claim has foundation (i.e. not claiming the entire BL or wide swaths of lands with no alliance presence as no-claim) and is sufficiently reasonable, I will be more than happy to include the demarcation on the map. In the event that a no-claim land claim (or traditional one for that matter) is broached by a competing claim, I plan to demarcate these disputed areas on the map as well when and as needed. If you have additional questions about how to implement the no-claim land claim, please don't ask me here -- feel free to get in contact with me via IGM. I'm sure Bonfyr Verboo would be happy to help as well. Thanks!