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Subatoi, that's a scary sig line you got there.

@Luna: Thank you. Thought I'd ask. It's just something to give me some practice anyway, lol

Almost done with it too. :-}
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or just type it like this

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it's what me and my guildmates have been doing. 
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I think this whole issue has been blown up way too much. We have a really cool FREE to play game and have a really good community - the loss of a few emo's is a small price to pay for a game that has dev's that actually listen to player suggestions, fix solutions and depend on the players for enhancement ideas. Simple solution -- don't use the new emo's if you don't like them. 

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Originally posted by Tora Tora wrote:

Originally posted by GM Luna GM Luna wrote:

I want nothing more than to not continue to belabor this topic. 

We have, at this point, given several reasons why the old emoticons are not going to return. 

I stated earlier that I understand if people do not like them, for any number of reasons. You all are entitled to your personal opinions about the artwork.

I stated earlier that we are working toward a compromise for the next chat update in which you will be able to turn these off if you don't like them.

At some point in the future it is within the realm of possibility that the art for them may be re-addressed. It also very well may not. I can't say either way at this point as it is way too early to say.

We are not dismissing concerns, we are responding to them in an appropriate manner as we both see fit. 

Luna

Thank you Luna for the appropriate reply. Could you folks check the link I left above and tell me if it's something you're willing to implement? It's not quite finished, I still have to do the steam and then gif it all up so it's animated. Let me know huh? It'll be yours to use without issue. Thanks.

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I am very sorry, but no, we are not looking to add a coffee emote. We don't want to open the pandora's box of emote requests. It simply wouldn't be fair to take one and not any others that people could dream up. 

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Originally posted by GM Luna GM Luna wrote:

I want nothing more than to not continue to belabor this topic. 

We have, at this point, given several reasons why the old emoticons are not going to return. 

I stated earlier that I understand if people do not like them, for any number of reasons. You all are entitled to your personal opinions about the artwork.

I stated earlier that we are working toward a compromise for the next chat update in which you will be able to turn these off if you don't like them.

At some point in the future it is within the realm of possibility that the art for them may be re-addressed. It also very well may not. I can't say either way at this point as it is way too early to say.

We are not dismissing concerns, we are responding to them in an appropriate manner as we both see fit. 

Luna

Thank you Luna for the appropriate reply. Could you folks check the link I left above and tell me if it's something you're willing to implement? It's not quite finished, I still have to do the steam and then gif it all up so it's animated. Let me know huh? It'll be yours to use without issue. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Stormcrow, I'm sorry to say this, but I think that you set up a strawman in order to avoid listening to our real concerns.

I understand why you can't keep using the old emoticons.  Even before you specifically identified intellectual property concerns as *part* of the reason for the change, I thought that was likely part of what was driving the change, or at least why the change is happening now.  You had to change the emoticons, and you put a lot of effort into trying to create something that would not just replace the old emoticons but enhance the game.  Kudos to you.  Really, well done and I appreciate it.  Not every game would go the extra mile like that.  Hard to think of another that would.

However, I can't read the new emoticons.  Something that is supposed to communicate information to me fails to do so.  I would prefer something that communicated the information more clearly.  I would also prefer it if it were not gender-specific, for the reasons I outlined above.

I recognize that this is FAR from the most important thing going on right now.  I also recognize that a lot of work went into the new emoticons, not to mention all the other amazing changes.  Thank you all so much, really, really.

But it would be really nice to hear back from the development team that you recognize that these concerns, which are not mine alone, may have some validity.  And that you might consider reworking the icons *at some point in the distant future when you have time and are not working on more important stuff*.

It feels to me like thus far they Illyriad team has been dismissive of constructive suggestions, which is really unusual for you folks, who are normally so patient and open.  I wonder if part of it is because you are likely exhausted from the tremendous effort that went into the recent changes and maybe are not hearing what we are really saying.  I don't hear most players saying "Hop to it, this is horrible, you must change it right away."  We are saying "This doesn't seem to be working as well as it could, we'd appreciate it if you made some tweaks."

I would like to hear that you understand that we are expressing these concerns with positive intentions.  It doesn't mean that you have to change anything, just that you've heard us.

Everything I've said above, nicely condensed and sans the solutions previously stated. I agree with this.

Like I was trying (and I don't know how successfully) state in my posts, this is entirely about communication, and I really dig the style, the style is very Illy and it's spot on, unfortunately for an emoticon, it's like it's too much detail, without enough contrast to identify key elements. It's too complex. And this is hurting the communication it is designed to impart. 

Cerberus, I just want you to know, this is in no way meant as a personal attack on your art style or your efforts. Your art is phenomenal. Just bringing up or trying to bring up, and apply a constructive and soluble feedback to this 'situation' - as it seems to be. 

In any case, not to continue rehashing, I have something (partially selfish, because I'm such a coffeemonger) for everyone that liked that emoticon.

I'm currently working on a new coffee cup emoticon for those of us that really liked being able to send each other one, or go for our own hot cup of java. I realize it's so simplistic, but it makes my day being able to for some reason.

I've got the mug done, complete with it's little saucer and am working on animating the steam. And yes Silent, I'll work on your fire too, though that is much more complex than steam. The colors and motion of it, as such. In any case...

The thing I'm concerned about also, just as with anything, is the amount of detail causing it to look like a white lump without any discerning features, or that the detail disappears and it looks like a dot with a handle, or something instead of a hot cup of coffee... We'll see. It should be fine, I'm rendering the original in 800x600 vector images, so we'll see what cracks I guess.

But it would be cool if we could get it tied into the current set with the keys as the old coffee was: ~O)

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n595/Vis_Com/Coffee-Emoticon1.png

The cup so far. Feedback welcome. Coffee enthusiasts unite! heh
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I want nothing more than to not continue to belabor this topic. 

We have, at this point, given several reasons why the old emoticons are not going to return. 

I stated earlier that I understand if people do not like them, for any number of reasons. You all are entitled to your personal opinions about the artwork.

I stated earlier that we are working toward a compromise for the next chat update in which you will be able to turn these off if you don't like them.

At some point in the future it is within the realm of possibility that the art for them may be re-addressed. It also very well may not. I can't say either way at this point as it is way too early to say.

We are not dismissing concerns, we are responding to them in an appropriate manner as we both see fit. 

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Stormcrow, I'm sorry to say this, but I think that you set up a strawman in order to avoid listening to our real concerns.

I understand why you can't keep using the old emoticons.  Even before you specifically identified intellectual property concerns as *part* of the reason for the change, I thought that was likely part of what was driving the change, or at least why the change is happening now.  You had to change the emoticons, and you put a lot of effort into trying to create something that would not just replace the old emoticons but enhance the game.  Kudos to you.  Really, well done and I appreciate it.  Not every game would go the extra mile like that.  Hard to think of another that would.

However, I can't read the new emoticons.  Something that is supposed to communicate information to me fails to do so.  I would prefer something that communicated the information more clearly.  I would also prefer it if it were not gender-specific, for the reasons I outlined above.

I recognize that this is FAR from the most important thing going on right now.  I also recognize that a lot of work went into the new emoticons, not to mention all the other amazing changes.  Thank you all so much, really, really.

But it would be really nice to hear back from the development team that you recognize that these concerns, which are not mine alone, may have some validity.  And that you might consider reworking the icons *at some point in the distant future when you have time and are not working on more important stuff*.

It feels to me like thus far they Illyriad team has been dismissive of constructive suggestions, which is really unusual for you folks, who are normally so patient and open.  I wonder if part of it is because you are likely exhausted from the tremendous effort that went into the recent changes and maybe are not hearing what we are really saying.  I don't hear most players saying "Hop to it, this is horrible, you must change it right away."  We are saying "This doesn't seem to be working as well as it could, we'd appreciate it if you made some tweaks."

I would like to hear that you understand that we are expressing these concerns with positive intentions.  It doesn't mean that you have to change anything, just that you've heard us.
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These are the rules with relation to third party tools: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/rules-regarding-third-party-tools_topic756.html. 

If all it is doing is replacing the emotes on the users end, I think it's ok. (Subject to change upon more information or any breach of the TOS.)

As with any player-created plug-in, use at your own risk. If it causes problems your petitions about it won't get much help. Other than that, enjoy. :)

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Originally posted by Nokigon Nokigon wrote:


Originally posted by Beriadanwen Beriadanwen wrote:



Not only do I not like the emoticons - I think I've pretty much decided I don't like -THE GAME- as a whole.

It seems every time I turn around, the Devs are fixing something that isn't broken (meaning the function, and no one's complaining about it. I go away for a couple of days and come back to find, basically, an entirely different game. One that doesn't WORK, either. Just changing pages from one screen of the research tree to the next is resulting in a 10-second loading delay. Chat lags. I can't get the world map to move from one city to the other. It's now hard for me, with my visual impairment, to tell an animal NPC from parked neutral army. And on and on and on. And there's little doubt that all these "little" changes, these "new bells and whistles" that aren't -necessary- for the game to work are to blame.

Oh, and for whatever reason? Half the forum posts that are new don't have new post stars.
I regret having EVER paid ANY money to play this game right now.

Leave the game then and stop wasting our time whinging. I'm a tiny bit sick of this sort of attitude, now guess what? The game is not yours. It's not mine, or any of the community's. It's SCs, TCs, Lunas, Cerbs, Tiberius and the rest of the GMs game. So they can do what the heck they want with it. Personally, I can live without a few emotes, and overall I think the GMs deserve a pat on the back.

+1000 And while we are on the subject of emotes, I prefer the new ones then the old
�I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien
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