Neighbors

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   ok my question here is:  Do you think an alliance has the moral right to chose its neighbors?  If so to what extent do they have the moral right to enforce that choice or is this only a choice when the alliance decides where to place its clusters?
Personally i think any alliance has the moral right to chose its neighbors, if you disagree with this then you would probably disagree with most RL zoning laws because in essence all they are is a way for the community as a whole to tell an individual what they can/cannot do with their land.

As for enforcement of this in game i believe that any alliance should be able to defend a city inside of their cluster if they like the city owner as a neighbor regardless of alliance that neighbor happens to be in or if they dislike the sieger so much that they cannot stand to think of that player as a neighbor.

If this choice is limited to only when the alliance decides where to cluster then it is no choice at all since this is a fluid game and players tend to move around, or stop playing opening the area up to newer players after the account is deleted.

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mjc2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 13 May 2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 136	Post Options Post Reply Quote mjc2 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Topic: Neighbors Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 19:52
	ok my question here is: Do you think an alliance has the moral right to chose its neighbors? If so to what extent do they have the moral right to enforce that choice or is this only a choice when the alliance decides where to place its clusters? Personally i think any alliance has the moral right to chose its neighbors, if you disagree with this then you would probably disagree with most RL zoning laws because in essence all they are is a way for the community as a whole to tell an individual what they can/cannot do with their land. As for enforcement of this in game i believe that any alliance should be able to defend a city inside of their cluster if they like the city owner as a neighbor regardless of alliance that neighbor happens to be in or if they dislike the sieger so much that they cannot stand to think of that player as a neighbor. If this choice is limited to only when the alliance decides where to cluster then it is no choice at all since this is a fluid game and players tend to move around, or stop playing opening the area up to newer players after the account is deleted.

twilights Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 21 May 2012 Status: Offline Points: 915	Post Options Post Reply Quote twilights Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 22:16
	i live in the usa and i guess zoneing is different here....omg, this is a strategy game, i dont think zoneing is part of it...but u have interesting thoughts...i think...???????

mjc2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 13 May 2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 136	Post Options Post Reply Quote mjc2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 08:43
	i live in the usa too and basically all zoning does is tell landowners what types of buildings they may put on land or what activities they are allowed to do. as an example, you cannot buy up a block of houses in a suburban city, knock them down and then build a factory because the land is zoned residential so you may not build a factory on that land. now you can buy up the block, go to the zoning commission and ask them to change the zone to industrial but all the people on the neighboring blocks may ask the zoning commission not to grant it because they do not want to live next to a factory.

twilights Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 21 May 2012 Status: Offline Points: 915	Post Options Post Reply Quote twilights Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 10:50
	mmmmmmm, i dont know if that can restrict what individual lives next to you but i can get the drift of wat u sayin, just zoneing isnt the right meaning u lookin fer, yes in this game u can dictate with game mechanics wat city owner is next to you, but u better watch out for pico cause hes determined to crush those that do! and gosh i hear many others are willin to jump in on a gang bang if any support a so call zoneing illy policy....game on!

mjc2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 13 May 2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 136	Post Options Post Reply Quote mjc2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 18:04
	yes i agree, zoning isnt exactly what i mean but it is the closest thing i could think of as a RL comparison. but also in illy we dont have different types of buildings that will have impacts on surrounding areas. we do have different alliances that can have impacts on their local neighborhood based on the way they like to play. a good example is the harvesting rules, every forum topic i read asking about them basically comes down to "depends on your neighbors." some areas of illy it is 5sq others it can be up to 15

Rill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rill Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 19:06
	I suggest avoiding making comparisons to real-life situations involving choices of neighbors. Certainly in the United States there is a long history of things like covenants that sought to exclude people of color, as just one example. Invoking rl practices such as this could result in starting a political discussion of the sort that is discouraged on the forum. If you want to make a statement about morality or ethics in Illy gameplay, I'm interested to hear your reasoning, but since the real-life equivalent of this is a serious issue for many, perhaps it should be avoided here on the forum.

Angrim Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 02 Nov 2011 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 1173	Post Options Post Reply Quote Angrim Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 19:50
	before the tortured rl parallels become too...erm...tortured...the appropriate rl parallel for land claims in illy is probably (wait for it) land claims. choose the situation you like best. a very brief "best of" list of problems from one of my favourite land grabs, the americas: * how much land can i claim with one landing (that is, if i just send units but don't stay)? one colony? * what happens to the people already in my claim area? * can powerful figures on another continent really exert control over land just by drawing a line on a map? and, post-revolt: * is it right for distant powers to intervene on a continent they barely inhabit? think for a moment and you'll have many more...and yes, i believe they were all ultimately settled by force of arms. one might look to antarctica as an alternative model, but antarctica isn't actually the scientific nirvana it is sometimes portrayed as, since claiming nations only agreed to suspend competing claims there for a fixed period, so...nothing really resolved yet. does USA actually own the moon by virtue of planting a flag? tbd.

twilights Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 21 May 2012 Status: Offline Points: 915	Post Options Post Reply Quote twilights Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 20:18
	where did color ever come into this?????? omg! wheres the gm????

Brandmeister Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brandmeister Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 20:38
	Angrim, you're talking about Illyriad as if it's a competitive team game of maps, empires, resources, and armies.

jcx Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Warrior Joined: 09 Oct 2013 Location: Tallimar Status: Offline Points: 281	Post Options Post Reply Quote jcx Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jun 2015 at 13:20
	Basically an alliance has no right to choose neighbors as long as is not blue/within 10 squares its a FREE SQUARE!
	Disclaimer: The above is jcx\|orcboy's personal opinion and is not the opinion or policy of Harmless? [H?] or of the little green men that have been following him all day. jcx in H? \| orcboy in H?