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Aelfric 
Greenhorn
Joined: 05 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 76
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 Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 02:24 |
 Eoga wrote:
May I ask, how can you live with your ideas of gathering resources? without an escort those caravans get bumped every few minutes. it kind of makes gathering useless since in a few minutes you can barley get anything useful from a place like that.
I might be selfish, however to be honest I can't believe I am the only doing it.
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Seriously, wake up, mate. I can't believe how stubborn you are. Think again, do you think it's only you whose caravans got bumped off every now and then? No, even my alliance mate accidentally bumps off my caravans from time to time. I got my caravan bumped off by a neighbour after only gathering 73 units of resources out of hundreds available. Do I make a big deal about it and start sending out my army? No. If someone killed your caravans, how would you respond? Judging from the way you think, you would have gone on the offensive. Same goes with these alliances. They exist to protect the members within them. And when you attack them like this, of course the whole alliances would respond. Don't do unto others what you don't want others do unto you.
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sneakypete
New Poster
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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Points: 4
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 03:05 |
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So you never wanted this fight? although your actions tell me otherwise,
I am here to make you prove that once and for all.
As I did
before I will do so again, I surrender.
I have a few rules though
in this offer, just so we both know what we will be getting in to.
1.
I will stop protecting my caravans with soldiers, provided that they
won't get attacked.
2. I will stop sending diplomatic units,
provided that GOON will do the same.
3. You will warn me when I
do something you annoy before actually attacking me. Unlike how things
went this time, I want to be accused before I receive the punishment.
4.
No more attacks from either side.
To avoid what happened last
time I surrendered, I will not accept a responds form anyone but you and
will not accept a responds that does not tell me when all of this ends.
If
attacks do continue after the agreed time, I demand consequences and if
you can't proved them, I will. This not a threat, but a warning.
I
hope you see reason i these terms.
This was the last message sent to the leader of the GOONS alliance. Maybe I have forgotten how you talk to people. First and foremost when requesting someone to stop attacking me I don't think I would have any place demanding certain rules or demanding that the alliance do certain things, i.e. warn me when I do something stupid. Secondly, demanding consequences for actions taken otherwise they will is a threat plain and simple. A warning is a threat. Don't do this or else is what it is saying.
If I were in that position I would wait until a little bit nicer approach was used. Of course I would also not be threatening and demanding things from the people crushing my city to the ground. Sometimes it's better to chose your words carefully in certain situations....
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Sherpa
New Poster
Joined: 21 Apr 2010
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Points: 6
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 03:39 |
sneakypete wrote:
This was the last message sent to the leader of the GOONS alliance. Maybe I have forgotten how you talk to people. First and foremost when requesting someone to stop attacking me I don't think I would have any place demanding certain rules or demanding that the alliance do certain things, i.e. warn me when I do something stupid. Secondly, demanding consequences for actions taken otherwise they will is a threat plain and simple. A warning is a threat. Don't do this or else is what it is saying.
If I were in that position I would wait until a little bit nicer approach was used. Of course I would also not be threatening and demanding things from the people crushing my city to the ground. Sometimes it's better to chose your words carefully in certain situations....
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Sage advice Sneakypete. As Lady Faya stated, GOON and its confederates will stand down when Eoga does. I am simply suprised this issue continues to persist. Entertainment at the very least....
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 1853
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 05:43 |
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I'm kinda surprised people take caravan busting that seriously. Just drop your own armies and have some fun out in the fields without the need to feel threatened in your city.
I can see where Eoga's personality has escalated this - but to claim that attacking a caravan is a good excuse by itself to go hit someone's city is taking it a bit far.
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sneakypete
New Poster
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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Points: 4
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 06:45 |
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Killerpoodle the issue is not that he killed some caravans. The issues is that he scouted and attacked people in the GOONS alliance. When they offered to truce him and even invited him to join their alliance, he said no and that he would attack anyone that hit him. So they attacked. He called truce and then started attacking caravans.
If someone wants to be left alone, then I would say sit back and not instigate anything. But the fact that he attacked, asked us to stop, and then went back to it is why there is a fight now. And each time his arrogance gets the better of him. So he apologizes by threatening an alliance, then sits here and acts like an innocent bystander.
As someone posted before I think he needs to show a little humility, shut his mouth, and lay low for now. We all make mistakes but by demanding and being arrogant will just continue the issue. A simple I'm sorry, I made a mistake, would suffice. I think he had a good idea about some ways to help each other stay clear like he will not attack and will try a little better about sending an army to a node. But to push his point as if he is the aggressor is not going to work. But again I am not the leader of GOONS so what do I know.
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Aelfric
Greenhorn
Joined: 05 Jun 2010
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Points: 76
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 09:04 |
Can you see how simple it is?
Eoga wrote:
(Eoga wisely removed the post so I removed this quote, too.)
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I give up trying to make you learn. No point talking to a brick wall. If I were one of the GOONs, I would have attacked you too. If I was one of those people whose caravans got killed by your armies, regardless of the alliance I was in, I would have attacked you too. EDIT: HAH, he removed that post. But I already quoted it. 
Edited by Aelfric - 21 Jun 2010 at 12:58
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Eoga
New Poster
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Location: home
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Points: 9
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 09:42 |
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sneakypete, are you part of GOON?
if so, I am wondering, perhaps you can tell me why GOON keeps insisting that I attacked their caravans? it almost sounds as if I deployed some troop just to mess with them. if I where you I would be more concerned about the fact that GOON attacked me and then told me that had a problem with me protecting my caravans. To me it sounds more like a justification than a reason.
and Don't say the fact that they invited me to join as if it was out of the goodness of their hearth. back then they did not have any problems with me yet, Nor had I with them. the distance just made sense. contrary to what you are trying to make people believe, I declined respectfully. I just did not want to get tied up in an alliance before I got to a chance to see how it was by myself.
also, when you look at the 'rules' I stated. If I begged on my knees and let you dictate terms, would you really have come up with anything different? aside from the way I brought them to you, this is a fair and peaceful offer, no matter how you look at it.
to be fair, the arrogance mentioned is probably not just the only reason this continues, but also the only reason it started. in other words they are just attacking because they hate me. Kind of arrogant of them to believe they are better than me.
-Eoga
EDIT: Aelfric, yeah I figured it was best to leave the list out.
EDIT2: you can pretty much change those cause and effect anyway you like, to make tell it any message you want. atleased I know where your allegiance lies!
Edited by Eoga - 21 Jun 2010 at 10:06
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Aelfric
Greenhorn
Joined: 05 Jun 2010
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Points: 76
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 11:00 |
Eoga, I am a third party who has no allegiance. The outcome of this matter has no bearing on my own situation. What do you think I would gain from this?  But you're right. It's not about attacking caravans at all. It's about your attitude. I was trying to help you to understand why you would need to change it, but I failed. So, good luck with your future endeavours.
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Duke Felirae
Greenhorn
Joined: 08 May 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 76
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 13:05 |
Aelfric wrote:
Eoga,
I am a third party who has no allegiance. The outcome of this matter has no bearing on my own situation. What do you think I would gain from this? |
Eoga wrote:
sneakypete, are you part of GOON? |
For some reason I don't think Eoga was talking to you Aelfric.
This message brought to you by another third party with no allegiance.
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His Grace the Duke of Felirae
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sneakypete
New Poster
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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Points: 4
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 16:42 |
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Eoga the issue isn't only about you hitting caravans. It was the fact that because of issues you instigated GOONS went to war with you, you asked them to stop and then went back on that. Again the first time you asked them to stop and truced them I would have made darn sure that if I might accidentally kill anything of theirs that I would steer clear of it. Also, the hitting of caravans was not a simple one time ordeal. It happened multiple times to the point where other alliances were asking what the deal was with you. Which leads me to believe either you don't know how to reinforce a resource node without killing people or you were doing it intentionally.
The rules you so pointedly asked for is not a problem. But you approach it all wrong. It would be like if I were to be arrested for something telling the officer that I will go to jail as long as I get a red jump suit, steak every night, and HBO. I would be in no position to state that I want anything because at that point I have no power what so ever.
Also you declined respectfully? You attacked and scout them. They said hey join GOONS. You said no and if any one comes after me I will smash them into dust? I am pretty sure that if you would have said something more like no thanks for now I would like to try the game out on my own, you would have got a fairly nice response of okay but please try not to scout or hit our towns because that would be considered an act of war. Then you would have known not to do it and you wouldn't be in this mess.
And yes Eoga from what I hear they absolutely hate you. They take this game more serious than real life. I hear some of them getting really excited about hitting you that it puts them into almost a berserker rage. Get a clue!
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