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Points: 4 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 03:05
So you never wanted this fight? although your actions tell me otherwise, I am here to make you prove that once and for all.

As I did before I will do so again, I surrender.

I have a few rules though in this offer, just so we both know what we will be getting in to.

1. I will stop protecting my caravans with soldiers, provided that they won't get attacked.

2. I will stop sending diplomatic units, provided that GOON will do the same.

3. You will warn me when I do something you annoy before actually attacking me. Unlike how things went this time, I want to be accused before I receive the punishment.

4. No more attacks from either side.

To avoid what happened last time I surrendered, I will not accept a responds form anyone but you and will not accept a responds that does not tell me when all of this ends.

If attacks do continue after the agreed time, I demand consequences and if you can't proved them, I will. This not a threat, but a warning.

I hope you see reason i these terms.

This was the last message sent to the leader of the GOONS alliance.  Maybe I have forgotten how you talk to people.  First and foremost when requesting someone to stop attacking me I don't think I would have any place demanding certain rules or demanding that the alliance do certain things, i.e. warn me when I do something stupid.  Secondly, demanding consequences for actions taken otherwise they will is a threat plain and simple.  A warning is a threat.  Don't do this or else is what it is saying. 

If I were in that position I would wait until a little bit nicer approach was used.  Of course I would also not be threatening and demanding things from the people crushing my city to the ground.  Sometimes it's better to chose your words carefully in certain situations....
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Points: 76 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 02:24
Originally posted by Eoga Eoga wrote:

May I ask, how can you live with your ideas of gathering resources? without an escort those caravans get bumped every few minutes. it kind of makes gathering useless since in a few minutes you can barley get anything useful from a place like that.

I might be selfish, however to be honest I can't believe I am the only doing it.


Seriously, wake up, mate. I can't believe how stubborn you are.

Think again, do you think it's only you whose caravans got bumped off every now and then? No, even my alliance mate accidentally bumps off my caravans from time to time.

I got my caravan bumped off by a neighbour after only gathering 73 units of resources out of hundreds available. Do I make a big deal about it and start sending out my army? No.

If someone killed your caravans, how would you respond? Judging from the way you think, you would have gone on the offensive. Same goes with these alliances. They exist to protect the members within them. And when you attack them like this, of course the whole alliances would respond.

Don't do unto others what you don't want others do unto you.
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Points: 4 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 01:59
Maybe this thought is a little naive but posting something on an open forum asking for anyone that wants a good fight to come protect his city, only seems to allow his actions to go unanswered. 

Is it overkill the position Eoga is in?  Some may say yes.  I am not going to weigh in on that debate.  But there is a saying that goes screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me.  

Plus on the messages that have been posted by Eoga, he appears to be a bully not caring for the issues he may cause.  If he is to be reinforced by a bigger group, that would not only create war for the alliances but it seems that would only fuel his self interest.  Sitting there doing what he wants and ignoring any peaceful asking of alliances to stop.

One last point I would like to add.  I know the area that is in concern.  I would like to point out that the people who are complaining that their caravans are being destroyed are not coming from super far away for nodes.  We all expect an occasional bad timing where a caravan will be destroyed.  But with the amount of bad luck some of these people are having it seems like he is sending his army first and asking questions later. 

But well that is just my insight.
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Originally posted by Eoga Eoga wrote:

However there is no peaceful way out. GOON made it clear to me that they can't control their members. I understand that protecting my caravans is selfish, however is it really worth all this?
 
Hello all. I am the leader of Goonies. Eoga makes assumptions on people without even looking. The Goonies WILL respond to me if I ask them to stand down. And our confederation partners that are in on the attacks would stand-down if I requested them to do so. The issue is, I have no reason to order the stand-down.
 
Eoga has made it clear that if we back down, he will rise and crush us. Just as he did before.
Eoga is leaving out some important info...let me sum it up.
1) He was spying on our towns
2) We asked him to cease (in fact, our confederation partners asked him to cease). We even offered to let him join us before ANY attacks began.
3) He laughed in our face saying he could do what he wanted
4) We attacked.
5) He sent a "I surrender but you didn't beat me" message.
6) We DID back off - briefly
7) He started up attacking our caravans with the attitude he WOULD protect HIS nodes (it was a danger zone to everyone else).
8) We launched repeated attacks
9) He begs for help
10) He admits he was wrong, but will not shown any sign of being regretful. He always backs up his "apologies" with some excuse.
 
 
So, we backed off once and had him attack our caravans because of it. We know if we back off again, he will rebuild and attack. He has said so himself.
 
Our stronger armies are 20+ hours away from him.  Goonies are friends that have played before together. We protect our own, even if if means travelling across the world. We WOULD prefer peace but Eoga is one that we feel we cannot trust at this point.
 
Now, also let me point out he only griped when we started attacking his "sister" that is 1 day or so travelling from him and joined his alliance the same day he created it. We did make note that his sister has left his alliance and though we believe they are still working together, we ceased ALL attacks on her as soon as we saw the lack of association between the two. We attacked her because he created an alliance (which he said he would stand on his own) and then brought her in during war. She became an instant target. Not a very nice thing to do to a new player.
 
Our less strong members near him are still his targets, we know that. And until he learns to keep him mouth shut and not bite off more than he can chew, our armies will pound him.
 
It would have been nice to have a peaceful resolve to this. But I dont feel Eoga has it in him to truthfully commit to any type of peaceful agreement. And with the distance it takes for us to reach him, we have to continue our attacks.
 
Eoga: Its too bad you wanted it this way. We could have been good friends. Peace WAS an option. And if we can see truthful actions on your part, maybe still. But in the meantime, our armies are still coming.
 
Ok, back to the game.
 
Thanks all for listening.
 
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May I ask, how can you live with your ideas of gathering resources? without an escort those caravans get bumped every few minutes. it kind of makes gathering useless since in a few minutes you can barley get anything useful from a place like that.

I might be selfish, however to be honest I can't believe I am the only doing it.
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Aelfric's analysis of the human behavior portion of this conflict is correct. Eoga's statement "GOON made it clear to me that they can't control their members" is patently false, and shows his complete misread of the situation. One of our members stated that HE had no control over the attacks. Eoga's failure to look at the roster and realize who is in charge leads to some very off-base ideas on his part.

But, basically, his attitude is that he should be able to maximize his benefits at the expense of everyone else who plays the game. He pays very little heed to other parties and their points of view, unless forced to do so. In fact, in this instance, he has never stated that his caravan-killing is even up for debate, despite all of the negative consequences that have flowed from that. He just wants us to leave him alone so he can continue to do what he was doing all along.
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Points: 76 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 10:54
Originally posted by Aelfric Aelfric wrote:

Originally posted by Duke Felirae Duke Felirae wrote:

Originally posted by Aelfric Aelfric wrote:

And remember, it's just a game. Don't take it too seriously. Smile
Ummm isn't comparing this to World War II a little too serious? Confused


That was an analogy. I have great interest in WW2, so I couldn't resist trying to relate many things to it. Tongue
It's a bit dark to bring up so casually.

Edited by Duke Felirae - 20 Jun 2010 at 10:57
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Points: 76 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 10:37
Originally posted by Duke Felirae Duke Felirae wrote:

Originally posted by Aelfric Aelfric wrote:

And remember, it's just a game. Don't take it too seriously.
Ummm isn't comparing this to World War II a little too serious? Confused


That was an analogy. I have great interest in WW2, so I couldn't resist trying to relate many things to it. Tongue
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Points: 76 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 10:10
Originally posted by Aelfric Aelfric wrote:

And remember, it's just a game. Don't take it too seriously. Smile
Ummm isn't comparing this to World War II a little too serious? Confused

Edited by Duke Felirae - 20 Jun 2010 at 10:55
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While you admitted it was your fault, you still tried to defend the reasoning behind your action. This, to me, a third party, gave the impression that your admittance to mistake was not genuine. I believe those involved would have perceived it similarly.

If I were you, I would have stayed quite and let the attackers get bored doing what they're doing. Attacking 'an over-harvested farm' wouldn't yield much and eventually they'll stop wasting their time attacking you because they get nothing out of it.

And remember, it's just a game. Don't take it too seriously. Smile


Edited by Aelfric - 20 Jun 2010 at 08:39
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