NC-Bane war

Those who are involved in this "war" are there by choice because Illy has provided nothing new for over a year. So just leave them alone and let them play; they're doing their best to do something interesting in a dead game. Those who want to join in can leave their moribund alliance and join in for the fun Those who don't can carry on being bored harvesting grapes. I'm harvesting grapes.

Edited by Llyr - 02 Sep 2013 at 05:07

Diomedes wrote: Noting that: 1. Halcyon initiated this post because of questions being raised in GC concerning the possibility of DARK entering the war, and 2. That, as Leader of DARK, Halcyon has declared there is no intention of DARK escalating the war, that seems to answer the questions raised in GC, and if DARK now happened to enter the fray, it would surely reflect on the integrity of DARK's leadership and thereby diminish it. I can only conclude that there will be no escalation by DARK alliance, and I thank Halcyon for answering the concerns of myself and others. All other posts here, would seem to me, to be peripheral to the matter raised by Halcyon, and perhaps better suited to another forum thread where we might endless debate the merits or otherwise of the current conflict.

Couldn't he have stated such in GC any time he was asked?

Instead of simply answering questions and declaring his alliance militarily neutral he came to the Forum. He announced that he was demanding (his word) that ~NC~ accept peace without terms and that if they didn't they should at least stop recruiting.

It seems to me that because this thread was started all the posts in it are legitimate and were invited by the very existence of the thread.

If I only had a 3:2 advantage over NC, I'd probably recruit heavily, too.

Jokes aside, the call for peace seems reasonable. However, I find it quite curious that BANE isn't speaking for itself. Is there a reason why most of its PR in chat and the forums is conducted by friendly third parties, or by players who deserted BANE? Malek and Sir Bradly are big boys, and I was under the impression that they are quite capable of articulating their positions on their own.

I also find it unusual that Halcyon has neglected to point out that Insanity Inc. spontaneously joined the conflict on BANE's side, adding a huge infusion of players, troops and population. It seems rather unreasonable to ask NC to refrain from recruiting their own friends to fight, given that their recruiting obviously happened twice in response to BANE's recruitment.

If you wish to limit participation in their war, perhaps all the Insanity Inc. players should leave BANE, and NC's allies can return to their home alliances. Then BANE and NC can settle things on the original military terms, as you have already proposed. I seriously doubt that either side will agree to return their powerful allies to the sidelines. As Angrim points out, NC isn't squeamish about warfare, and it was my longstanding impression that BANE wasn't either.

I would point out that debating the trigger event is rather academic. I seriously doubt this war is only about some sov claims in the newb ring, any more than the last major war was only about a Trove mine. There were lots of escalation points at which either side could have diffused the situation, and they both voluntarily chose to continue fighting.

I say let them settle it themselves.

I remember seeing SB state in GC that he had offered terms but they were rejected.   There are always two sides to the story but what  most players have seen in GC is the spin by BANE and DARK.   If BANE wants peace they should be talking directly to NC and negotiate terms; everyone else needs to stay out of it.    It is the usual procedure for procuring peace at the end of a war, the side winning sets the terms for peace.    

Halcyon wrote: There were questions asked about Dark's interest in The war between NC and Bane. The main interest for us is that Malek is my personal friend and a long time friend to Dark. I recently made a plea to NC leaders to end the war. my reasoning was that with their own members they do not have the power to beat Bane to submission. This war is ongoing for 3 months and no end is in sight. I made NC 2 offers: 1) End the war and if you are interested in more action, come against Dark in a war of walls or a more total war and bring some of your friends (some, not all, mind you). 2) Have all the members that were not originally in the war leave the war and NC and Bane continue to slug it out between themselves. NC rejected both my offers. As things stand and if NC continue recruiting members from other alliances, this needless, endless war will expand until we may have a 2nd world war on our ends. I call upon NC again to accept peace without terms. If they reject my offer again, I call on all players out of the war to remain out and not expand this senseless war of attrition. Halcyon for Dark.