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Ashtar 
Greenhorn
Joined: 12 Oct 2011
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 Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 13:20 |
If anyone wishes to question or seek information about TCOL's involvement in the NC-Bane conflict, they can send an information request to Kale Weathers In game. Remember, good diplomacy, manners and proper grammar are appreciated. However, you may not get the response you want or need - after all , he is a prisoner in his own alliance. 
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Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. -
Buddha
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Kumomoto
Postmaster General
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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Points: 2224
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Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 07:29 |
 Grego wrote:
Looks like someone gets cought in the web again.
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Is there a web to be caught in, Grego? (Is there something you'd like to share?)
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Grego
Postmaster
Joined: 09 May 2010
Location: Klek
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Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 07:23 |
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Looks like someone gets cought in the web again.
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Kumomoto
Postmaster General
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Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 06:26 |
Tamaeon wrote:
Also, I have to side with Twilights and Deranzin on this; live and let live should be our guiding principle. If these two parties want to got at it, and involve their friends to any end; it should be entirely up to them! The sentiment expressed in all these nice moralistic arguments, is certainly beautiful but utterly pointless! 
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This part of Tam's post makes perfect sense. The previous bit seems to be some sort of justification and so I deleted it as the spin it is. I totally agree with the conclusion. Fight it out. Get whoever you want to join your alliance! Both of you! Have fun! And please, please stop trying to drag the rest of Illy into a World War...
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Halcyon
Forum Warrior
Joined: 17 Aug 2012
Location: Israel
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Points: 360
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Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 06:26 |
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I am now at work but plan to announce publicly today how Dark will get involved in the war.
We are open to peace and since Malek is very busy in rl I am now the address.
Cheers,
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Tamaeon
Wordsmith
Joined: 19 Dec 2011
Location: Centrum
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Points: 152
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Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 05:58 |
I wonder whether only Janosch acknowledges the fact; that NC wittingly involved TCol in attacking a defenseless alliance (only traders remained in Insanity Inc allegedly...). Apparently TCol demanded the return of all [II] players from BANE to accept peace.
Judging by the timeline of the events, its apparent that NC continued to bring in reinforcements from other alliances, after they forced the [II] players out of BANE.
I see so many accusations against DARK for supposedly seeking an escalation; extensive criticism of Halcyon's posts; accusing him of spin (in a semantics battle no less; over what could be construed as an escalation...  ). And little (if any) acknowledgement for the basic facts:
1. NC chose to declare war against a larger alliance, knowing their population disadvantage... most likely counting on the fact, that they had significantly higher troop amounts; due to BANE's active participation in the tournament.
2. As if BANE wasn't enough of an opponent, NC declared war on Insanity Inc too!
(Can someone please explain how this made any sense? lol)
3. NC involved TCol in the conflict, to forcibly remove all [II] players from BANE.
It apparently took the [II] players returning to BANE (a re-scalation??) , for NC to finally declare peace with [II].
4. Halcyon's closing statement in his original post called for peace.
Given all the fervent condemnation in this thread; I can only assume that I completely missed the discussion; where TCol's involvement in the NC vs. BANE war was thoroughly questioned, and heavily criticized as a deliberate escalation, by all the critics.
Reading this thread has been an absolute joy so far. I would love to know what peace terms have been discussed, and especially on what arguments NC is basing their demand for BANE's surrender.
Also, I have to side with Twilights and Deranzin on this; live and let live should be our guiding principle. If these two parties want to got at it, and involve their friends to any end; it should be entirely up to them! The sentiment expressed in all these nice moralistic arguments, is certainly beautiful but utterly pointless!
Edited by Tamaeon - 03 Sep 2013 at 06:02
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 05:51 |
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And, Halcyon. If folks in Dark want to follow you into Bane, then that's fine. I'm sure NC will recruit more folks to join them...
Then everyone who cares deeply about this war can fight it and we don't have a global war which will only severely hurt all sorts of people who have no interest in being in this fight...
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Kumomoto
Postmaster General
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Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 05:33 |
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Halcyon-- I have a solution where you can help your friend and not cause WW5...
Why don't you join Bane? As far as I can tell, most of the folks in Dark don't know or have close relationships with anyone at Bane other than you. Then you can support your friend without bringing all the folks who follow you into harms way...
I'm pretty sure that other alliances (based upon this thread and conversations I've had) will not become involved in this war besides individual players joining. If they do... well. that's their prerogative isn't it?
If alliances pile in, then you can always call upon Dark to help, but I doubt other alliances will...
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Kumomoto
Postmaster General
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Posted: 03 Sep 2013 at 02:03 |
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Hey Bane-- Can I offer you a really lucrative contract to attack II? ;)
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Deranzin
Postmaster
Joined: 10 Oct 2011
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Posted: 02 Sep 2013 at 22:55 |
Janosch wrote:
How was that about the escalation of the H? – CONSONE war?
Wasn’t one crucial argument that a CONSONE alliance was (more or less unprovoked)
attacking RHY members occupying the well-known trove-mine claimed by SkB (a
non-CONSONE alliance)? And the rest of CONSONE members started to attack RHY
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There is nothing wrong in bringing along friends to help you ... you just shouldn't nag afterwards when those friends do not seem enough for you to win.  Same thing with the Consone war ... if the people involved want the conflict to escalate then the method is clear (start calling for more and more help) and it has happened before and really recently.
In the case you refer, if SkB and Rhy (let us not get to whom called who first, that war has ended) had been left alone to deal with their conflict then the whole thing would have been just a good skirmish only between those two alliances. Instead, a huge mess ensued and people found many many other reasons to fight, over and beyond the original ones.
So, when people start calling on others, things get muddled and unpredictable and the original conflict becomes insignificant in comparison ... so, to sum it up, I have absolutely NO IDEA who started it or who is "right or wrong" in that conflict, and considering the amount of bickering in the last war even were the event were fresh and people still spun them around, I do not think that anyone could get the facts out of a 3-month old conflict. 
The good thing is, I do not have to care about who is right or wrong because it is NOT MY FIGHT.
Leave those two alliances alone to hit it out and have their fun ... and if perchance they are not having fun and need help, hey, let them ask for it and speak their cases for themselves ... unlike this thread which populated by anyone EXCLUDING the warring parties, unless noone noticed ...
Edited by Deranzin - 02 Sep 2013 at 23:00
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