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GM Luna 
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 Topic: NC
Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 12:11 |
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Closing for off topic.
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Redfist
Greenhorn
Joined: 14 Aug 2010
Location: Duraz Karag
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Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 11:53 |
 Gragnog wrote:
Seems a lot of people have issues with the tiny little pitbulls. My perception is a bunch of players playing a war game and then getting complaints about them playing a war game. Perhaps some clear facts laid out here would help. As far as I recall NC only ever declared wars on equal sized or larger alliances (My memory may be a bit hazy due to working in the field so much lately). How this makes them bullies is above me. Their methods of diplomacy are also different to what others view as correct but this does not make them bad. I myself tend to resort to launch first and then talk. Now if someone has facts, and not opinions, just list them here and then everyone can make their own decisions. |
What was the purpose of this thread? Gragnog's opening post is requoted above, in full, for ease of reference. The purpose, as outline by Gragnog, was apparently to ask for "facts, and not opinions", on whether Night Crusaders (NC) could be accused of being bullies. Now we find that was was NOT his true intention at all....
Gragnog wrote:
The real reason this thread was started was just to show how pointless any of these threads actually are, as the vast majority of people who reply do so without a thought, but go with emotional feelings. And the more emotional they become the more fun it is to troll them and get them to perpetuate their feelings. |
Ok lets put the issue to concerning Rill to one side because it is a GM matter and you have told us that you have already received a ban for it. However I would say your admission means that it is a fact.
I am now concerned about your admission that you have set this thread up not to genuinely discuss one of the core issues that led to declarations of war relating to NC but to play upon the emotional feelings of others... " And the more emotional they become the more fun it is to troll them and get them to perpetuate their feelings. "
So it's fun eh? Bear in mind this is also an admission so it stands as a fact . Tell me. Was this your own idea or did others in your alliance, Harmless? also participate in any way?
Edited by Redfist - 08 Nov 2013 at 12:05
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Gragnog
Postmaster
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Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 11:18 |
Sir A wrote:
Arakamis wrote:
Grag, you don't own the thread.. and absolutely not authorized to moderate it.. if there is something against the rules here, i'm sure devs will take necessary actions.. trying to force people to post as you like, is just pointless.. |
Gragnog is probably one of the biggest trolls that I know of in Illyriad. I remember a few months back he (and Sir Bradly but to a lesser extent) was harassing Rill in GC and telling her to leave the game because no one wanted her here among other very hateful things. Of course I am sure he will deny it or try to come up with some kind of justification but you know what they say about trolls: Ignore them and they will go away. They only exist to try to get reactions from people. |
Second point of correction, I never told her to leave the game. Get a grip on reality here dude. I have never told anyone to leave the game. I enjoy the game and recommend it many. Telling people to leave the game is just not in my nature. If they left I would not be able to interact with them, now would I? And calling me one of the Biggest Trolls in illy, I assume you are referring to my population, as the amount of time I spend in GC is actually minimal.
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Gragnog
Postmaster
Joined: 28 Nov 2011
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Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 10:50 |
Redfist wrote:
Sir A wrote:
Arakamis wrote:
Grag, you don't own the thread.. and absolutely not authorized to moderate it.. if there is something against the rules here, i'm sure devs will take necessary actions.. trying to force people to post as you like, is just pointless.. |
Gragnog is probably one of the biggest trolls that I know of in Illyriad. I remember a few months back he (and Sir Bradly but to a lesser extent) was harassing Rill in GC and telling her to leave the game because no one wanted her here among other very hateful things. Of course I am sure he will deny it or try to come up with some kind of justification but you know what they say about trolls: Ignore them and they will go away. They only exist to try to get reactions from people. |
Really? Gragnog of H? and Sir Bradly of NC - harassing Rill in GC?. Is this a fact Granog? |
I do not recall it being harassment but I was calling her things in a way for a couple of weeks due to her meddling in affairs she was not involved in, but got a ban from the GM's and there it ended. As to owning the thread and all the other rubbish this guy is spewing makes me smile. And if people like him have not learnt this already here is a lesson: Everything in these threads is nothing but spin, fun, and games. Do you really believe anyone is going to utter anything useful in a heated situation? The real reason this thread was started was just to show how pointless any of these threads actually are, as the vast majority of people who reply do so without a thought, but go with emotional feelings. And the more emotional they become the more fun it is to troll them and get them to perpetuate their feelings. This is only a game people and if it rules your life you need to go see someone and get help.
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Redfist
Greenhorn
Joined: 14 Aug 2010
Location: Duraz Karag
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Points: 91
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Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 09:57 |
Sir A wrote:
Arakamis wrote:
Grag, you don't own the thread.. and absolutely not authorized to moderate it.. if there is something against the rules here, i'm sure devs will take necessary actions.. trying to force people to post as you like, is just pointless.. |
Gragnog is probably one of the biggest trolls that I know of in Illyriad. I remember a few months back he (and Sir Bradly but to a lesser extent) was harassing Rill in GC and telling her to leave the game because no one wanted her here among other very hateful things. Of course I am sure he will deny it or try to come up with some kind of justification but you know what they say about trolls: Ignore them and they will go away. They only exist to try to get reactions from people. |
Really? Gragnog of H? and Sir Bradly of NC - harassing Rill in GC?. Is this a fact Granog?
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Mr Damage
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Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 05:06 |
Sir Bradly wrote:
I have no need to argue. I stated the facts. The community will interpret the facts for themselves and make their own decision.
I would rather talk through igm to those who want clarification, than get pulled into an Forum argument. Past experience tells me that accomplishes nothing.
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+1 SB, see u in GC.  This is in no reference to SirA's post, I read that after posting. Just an ingame joke between me and Sir B.
Edited by Mr Damage - 08 Nov 2013 at 05:09
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Sir A
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Joined: 26 Sep 2012
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Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 04:49 |
Arakamis wrote:
Grag, you don't own the thread.. and absolutely not authorized to moderate it.. if there is something against the rules here, i'm sure devs will take necessary actions.. trying to force people to post as you like, is just pointless.. |
Gragnog is probably one of the biggest trolls that I know of in Illyriad. I remember a few months back he (and Sir Bradly but to a lesser extent) was harassing Rill in GC and telling her to leave the game because no one wanted her here among other very hateful things. Of course I am sure he will deny it or try to come up with some kind of justification but you know what they say about trolls: Ignore them and they will go away. They only exist to try to get reactions from people.
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Arakamis
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Joined: 09 Jul 2012
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Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 03:49 |
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Grag, you don't own the thread.. and absolutely not authorized to moderate it.. if there is something against the rules here, i'm sure devs will take necessary actions.. trying to force people to post as you like, is just pointless..
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Gragnog
Postmaster
Joined: 28 Nov 2011
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Points: 598
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Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 19:57 |
Gragnog wrote:
Spheniscidae wrote:
Gragnog wrote:
Seems a lot of people have issues with the tiny little pitbulls. My perception is a bunch of players playing a war game and then getting complaints about them playing a war game. Perhaps some clear facts laid out here would help. As far as I recall NC only ever declared wars on equal sized or larger alliances (My memory may be a bit hazy due to working in the field so much lately). How this makes them bullies is above me. Their methods of diplomacy are also different to what others view as correct but this does not make them bad. I myself tend to resort to launch first and then talk. Now if someone has facts, and not opinions, just list them here and then everyone can make their own decisions.
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OP, colour coded for facts (which may or may not be accurate), opinions, and filler. I see more red than green... |
Read the last line a few times. I repeat, read the last line a few times.
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And Pongo, I think this may be you. If it is, at least post under your real identity. I would respect you then.
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Kaggen is my human half
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Gragnog
Postmaster
Joined: 28 Nov 2011
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Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 18:54 |
Tamaeon wrote:
Gragnog wrote:
If you bothered to read the initial post in this thread you would actually realize that this thread is not here to argue a point but list facts. Go troll the other threads for opinions. Please folks, lets keep it to facts. |
Feel free to correct me, if I said anything that is either false or incorrect.
Also... I really don't want to argue semantics here, but if you open a thread with this...
Gragnog wrote:
"Seems a lot of people have issues with the tiny little pitbulls. My perception is..." |
you are obviously inviting an open discussion by expressing an opinion.
That said; I would love to have a factual discussion, and am eager to read your retort!
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Read the last line of my initial post. If it is in any way unclear I apologist and refer you to the last line of my initial post.
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