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Redfist 
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 Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 10:41 |
 Gragnog wrote:
Ok, another futile attempt at a factual thread. Guess all of you are more interested in spinning your spin than actual facts. If any of the GM's cruise these threads please close this one as the topic has deviated into a hash of opinions again of people trying to justify their actions. All I asked for was facts, not a 4 page hash of old issues repeated so often in every other thread.
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How can you say that? In your opening posts you ask for evidence of NC aggression and it has been provided, in the form of examples of their conductnot only from the CK/RE affair but also during and after the Bane/NC war. Moreover, the NC leader's , Sir Brad's post linked to this thread is just about the boldest aggressive statement an alliance leader can make in this game. That in itself is evidence. In the end though the most compelling evidence is the case of Shammara which shows the depths of "nastiness" to which they prepared to go.
Cast aside KP's poor attempt's at denial and later his excuses - This thread shows with evidence that:
1. Celtic Knights, EE, Ucrow, Vcrow are not the aggressive alliances that KP deliberately tried to portray them as; 2, Night Crusaders are an aggressive military alliance. Not only do they fight wars but they will aggressively provoke them. They are even capable of destroying accounts during peace negotiations without a second thought. (Big problem there!) 3. H? do not treat there allies with equal respect. Indeed they treat some of them with contempt;
To my mind KP has deliberately misrepresented this whole CK/RE affair for his own ends and entertainment but the Illy community has seen through his poorly veiled lies and threats. I think people are running out patience and tolerance of KP as leader of H? They want to see a change. A big change.
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ES2
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 13:33 |
Redfist wrote:
Gragnog wrote:
Ok, another futile attempt at a factual thread. Guess all of you are more interested in spinning your spin than actual facts. If any of the GM's cruise these threads please close this one as the topic has deviated into a hash of opinions again of people trying to justify their actions. All I asked for was facts, not a 4 page hash of old issues repeated so often in every other thread.
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How can you say that? In your opening posts you ask for evidence of NC aggression and it has been provided, in the form of examples of their conductnot only from the CK/RE affair but also during and after the Bane/NC war. Moreover, the NC leader's , Sir Brad's post linked to this thread is just about the boldest aggressive statement an alliance leader can make in this game. That in itself is evidence. In the end though the most compelling evidence is the case of Shammara which shows the depths of "nastiness" to which they prepared to go.
Cast aside KP's poor attempt's at denial and later his excuses - This thread shows with evidence that:
1. Celtic Knights, EE, Ucrow, Vcrow are not the aggressive alliances that KP deliberately tried to portray them as; 2, Night Crusaders are an aggressive military alliance. Not only do they fight wars but they will aggressively provoke them. They are even capable of destroying accounts during peace negotiations without a second thought. (Big problem there!) 3. H? do not treat there allies with equal respect. Indeed they treat some of them with contempt;
To my mind KP has deliberately misrepresented this whole CK/RE affair for his own ends and entertainment but the Illy community has seen through his poorly veiled lies and threats. I think people are running out patience and tolerance of KP as leader of H? They want to see a change. A big change. |
I do not suppose either side can post without a flair of dramatics? Gragnog is the only one I have seen that has not done that.
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 14:49 |
Redfist - let me guess - it was H?'s fault your alt was kicked out of T? as well right? I believe we also cause global warming and are directly responsible for BL release delays. As for the rest of your fantasy post - it was just that - completely lacking in fact. I'll use one example:
They are even capable of destroying accounts during peace negotiations without a second thought.
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One account sitter, after the peace was agreed, decided not to accept Bane leaders decision and suicide out his sat account instead.
Edited by KillerPoodle - 01 Nov 2013 at 14:50
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Ander
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 15:07 |
KillerPoodle wrote:
and suicide out his sat account instead.
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What do you mean by suicide? Sieged her 10 towns herself?
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KillerPoodle
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 15:44 |
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No - refused to surrender and kept attacking with the intention that the account should be razed rather than surrender.
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Sir Bradly
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Joined: 12 Sep 2012
Location: Canada
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 16:07 |
Everyone in Bane except Shamarra agreed too and made good on the surrender terms. Malek was very good at making sure everyone complied. In the agreement many of the II members that were instrumental in the near destruction of our player Warren Gabriel were asked to lose some cities.
For weeks NC waited for the II members to provide the cities they wanted to be razed. Every member complied. They dropped runes, disbanded troops and the cities were razed with no issue.
Shamarra gave us two cities for raze. She refused to drop her runes or disband her troops. We had to scout her cities and she was reinforcing the ones she agreed to give up. Once our siege landed she attacked them and they were wiped out.
So, Shamarra decided to not accept the terms of surrender as agreed upon by Malek. After numerous attempts from NC to get her to comply she would not accept. I was notified by several sources that the she intended to suicide out on NC rather than comply with the terms of surrender.
She continued to attack our camps and reinforce her cities. When her troops were all gone she seemed to have abandon the account. There was no activity, no vans moving, no igms etc etc. There was no reason for us to believe she was still actively playing or even wanted to play anymore.
BTW, our ex Player Beecks has been inactive for some time. Once Shade laid the first siege on the account we decided to cut the account loose. Beecks has promised many times to come back. In the meantime, Beecks recieved an igm from a vCrow player (Ryklaw) saying that even though the account is not in NC, they are going to wipe it out, just in case you come back and want to be in the war.
Hypocritical? You be the judge...
SB
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Sir Bradly
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Location: Canada
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 16:37 |
Looks like the plan in being implemented as we speak. I cannot do anything but laugh as vCrow and their forum attack dogs call NC brutal when they are doing the exact same action to Beecks. I guess its ok when they do it. LOL
Btw, Beecks has been sat for awhile, but on occasion she pops in to say hi to everyone.
See the Herald today...
| Player Under Siege | Town Under Siege | Location | Under Siege By | Siege Began |
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| Rua | Luoyang | [929|-963] in Larn | Spictorus [Druid] | Thu 03 Oct 19:22 | | Livebait [VALAR] | Avenida | [140|-697] in Tallimar | Mithos [B.M.] | Fri 18 Oct 19:04 | | Manywydhan (Abandoned) | Hatrabad | [-936|500] in Fremorn | littlejonah [Shade] | Sat 19 Oct 01:15 | | framadorv | 7. Nightmare's Fortress | [665|817] in Qarosslan | Barash [TVM] | Sat 19 Oct 23:26 | | Brom Branwen (Abandoned) [nCrow] | Brandiwyne | [961|451] in Laoshin | Lagomorphae | Sun 20 Oct 12:18 | | Yardail | Larsdalen | [869|-212] in Keshalia | R-Man [nCrow] | Sun 20 Oct 19:31 | | elftide (Abandoned) | Wai Wai | [522|633] in Windlost | Tiagho [nCrow] | Tue 22 Oct 07:38 | | elftide (Abandoned) | Wai Wai | [522|635] in Windlost | Tiagho [nCrow] | Tue 22 Oct 08:42 | | Zyala (Abandoned) | Belgriad | [76|-638] in Arran | TanyaFairy [Fairy] | Wed 23 Oct 09:17 | | Dustin9 | Portland | [226|175] in Middle Kingdom | ButteredToast [T?] | Wed 23 Oct 16:27 | | elftide (Abandoned) | Khor 3 | [846|248] in Laoshin | Kenyl [eCrow] | Wed 23 Oct 20:44 | | MissLilly (Abandoned) | MatterHorn | [-874|760] in The Wastes | TanyaFairy [Fairy] | Thu 24 Oct 07:33 | | Kashkin | New Settlement | [-77|-815] in Tallimar | Aziza Habibte [T?] | Thu 24 Oct 08:34 | | Lord Fosster | Clinton | [-9|-398] in Arran | Ozymandias [ACHE] | Thu 24 Oct 20:42 | | Veni Vidi Vici | Mylos | [594|-411] in Zanpur | Salvina [Roads] | Fri 25 Oct 00:13 | | Zyala (Abandoned) | Griffin | [168|-691] in Tallimar | B'Elanna [Fairy] | Sat 26 Oct 07:58 | | Yoshinaka (Abandoned) | New Settlement | [-6|-280] in Perrigor | Jenin [BANE] | Sat 26 Oct 16:17 | | sweeny | 5-Dragons Helm | [-26|-20] in Middle Kingdom | Loreman [~300~] | Sat 26 Oct 21:58 | | Yoshinaka (Abandoned) | New Settlement | [-6|-281] in Perrigor | Stardar [BANE] | Sun 27 Oct 04:45 | | David R (Abandoned) | Formidable | [814|104] in Mal Motsha | Xstatk [ARM] | Sun 27 Oct 08:12 | | youdamnkids [2CAT] | Werewolves of London | [429|368] in Ragallon | Drakkar Narron [Fairy] | Sun 27 Oct 13:57 | | Turgor (Abandoned) | Shamata | [268|704] in Wolgast | SirGregory [eRise] | Mon 28 Oct 05:29 | | Turgor (Abandoned) | Rillanon | [264|714] in Wolgast | SirGregory [eRise] | Mon 28 Oct 05:36 | | sweeny | 5-Dragons Helm | [-25|-18] in Middle Kingdom | Loreman [~300~] | Mon 28 Oct 21:46 | | Brother Grimm (Abandoned) [HUGcr] | New Saga | [847|-914] in Larn | Shoganx [FoH] | Tue 29 Oct 07:13 | | sweeny | 5-Dragons Helm | [-27|-20] in Middle Kingdom | Loreman [~300~] | Tue 29 Oct 07:27 | | Ajaxian (Abandoned) | Ajaxia | [979|54] in Laoshin | Tyrande Whisperwinds [nCrow] | Tue 29 Oct 12:47 | | Ajaxian (Abandoned) | Faedra | [972|42] in Laoshin | Tyrande Whisperwinds [nCrow] | Tue 29 Oct 13:29 | | Sahand | PasarGodae | [169|312] in Norweld | Valtellina [IND] | Tue 29 Oct 22:55 | | Thengrild [*MtM] | Vekyria | [654|634] in Qarosslan | Leka | Wed 30 Oct 04:52 | | Lath [eRise] | 2 - Clifton -t- | [-667|300] in Fremorn | Varrek [EFP] | Wed 30 Oct 09:45 | | Minastir | Armenelos | [53|-703] in Tallimar | hydrangea [ITG] | Wed 30 Oct 11:09 | | bananas5 | Bananaville | [304|320] in Norweld | Yhina [*MtM] | Wed 30 Oct 21:46 | | Beecks | 7- Septimus | [-399|523] in Kal Tirikan | Bittu [Shade] | Wed 30 Oct 22:45 | | jimi hondo | xxx | [-288|-51] in Tor Carrock | Son of the Morning | Wed 30 Oct 23:53 | | Beecks | 1- Primus | [-393|527] in Kal Tirikan | Bittu [Shade] | Thu 31 Oct 02:01 | | Beecks | 8- Octâvus | [-466|708] in Kal Tirikan | Bittu [Shade] | Thu 31 Oct 02:49 | | Harhk ark [eRise] | Cha Rirk | [-966|770] in The Wastes | Ulven son of Reficul [EFP] | Thu 31 Oct 04:03 | | Spel (Abandoned) | Stone Wall | [31|542] in Wolgast | robert the bruce [II] | Thu 31 Oct 10:21 | | SourPickle (Abandoned) | Ron-Alguardia | [350|-143] in Lucerna | Luss The Beautiful [FCala] | Thu 31 Oct 15:28 | | RusstheRed [~N~] | Winterfell | [960|963] in Qarosslan | orcboy [mCrow] | Thu 31 Oct 15:51 | | Ajaxian (Abandoned) | Ajaxia | [980|54] in Laoshin | Tyrande Whisperwinds [nCrow] | Thu 31 Oct 17:49 | | tentero | siege me | [228|136] in Lucerna | dspn23 [vCrow] | Thu 31 Oct 18:34 | | Sahand | Hegmatan | [178|303] in Norweld | darklegend [IND] | Thu 31 Oct 18:45 | | Gabigliani [XckX] | 1. Roma | [-209|79] in Meilla | SAMUELMARCOS [~NC~] | Thu 31 Oct 18:55 | | Ajaxian (Abandoned) | Faedra | [973|42] in Laoshin | Tyrande Whisperwinds [nCrow] | Thu 31 Oct 20:02 | | Ajaxian (Abandoned) | Brisea | [924|27] in Mal Motsha | Varege [T-O] | Thu 31 Oct 20:13 | | Poeme [Soon™] | 7. Eneriaton | [-629|-740] in Azura | DeathDealer89 [H?] | Thu 31 Oct 20:13 | | Ajaxian (Abandoned) | Euryplia | [974|47] in Laoshin | Tyrande Whisperwinds [nCrow] | Thu 31 Oct 20:22 | | Harhk ark [eRise] | Jav'a Jav | [-854|604] in Fremorn | Bin Arth [EFP] | Thu 31 Oct 22:36 | | gtkol3 [EE] | 1. Ajoop | [-112|-730] in Tallimar | Aradil [H?] | Thu 31 Oct 23:59 | | Purple Rain [Soon™] | 5. South Haven | [-535|-682] in Azura | Empress Olivia [H?] | Fri 01 Nov 00:27 | | Beecks | 9- Nônus | [-541|599] in Kal Tirikan | The Duke [Shade] | Fri 01 Nov 03:04 | | Chaosxiii | Seige for abyss | [95|-617] in Arran | abysxiii [~NS~] | Fri 01 Nov 03:20 | | Beecks | 9- Nônus | [-543|599] in Kal Tirikan | The Duke [Shade] | Fri 01 Nov 03:43 | | Prexnot [*MtM] | High Cliffs | [-146|55] in Middle Kingdom | Black Boar | Fri 01 Nov 05:29 | | Beecks | 3- Tertius | [-258|628] in Kal Tirikan | Ryklaw [vCrow] | Fri 01 Nov 07:38 | | Niger Unda | Bruinguard | [898|-240] in Kul Tar | Princess Of Shadows [FoH] | Fri 01 Nov 08:49 | | Yardail | Larsdalen | [871|-212] in Keshalia | SoLazy [Sands] | Fri 01 Nov 09:08 | | Erik Thrimson (Abandoned) [eCrow] | Axemens Association | [-274|-485] in Azura | Buffline [TOR-U] | Fri 01 Nov 09:25 | | KillswitchEngage [H?] | Walking Dead | [134|-705] in Tallimar | gtkol3 [EE] | Fri 01 Nov 09:28 | | Darpandas [vCrow] | INSANITY RISES | [472|-217] in Mal Motsha | Kale Weathers [TCol] | Fri 01 Nov 10:00 | | Leanthar [H?] | Owl's Perch | [-653|413] in Fremorn | The Duke [Shade] | Fri 01 Nov 12:27 | | framadorv | 7. Nightmare's Fortress | [666|818] in Qarosslan | Barash [TVM] | Fri 01 Nov 12:43 |
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blazing arrow
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 17:14 |
SB don't be a melodramatic queen...!!!  If Beecks could re-inforce/siege ppl till a week back...tell her sitter to have the guts to weather the storm as well .. Disclaimer. This is just me expressing my opinion 
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Deranzin
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 17:26 |
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Kompanion
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 17:26 |
Gragnog wrote:
Seems a lot of people have issues with the tiny little pitbulls. My perception is a bunch of players playing a war game and then getting complaints about them playing a war game. Perhaps some clear facts laid out here would help. As far as I recall NC only ever declared wars on equal sized or larger alliances (My memory may be a bit hazy due to working in the field so much lately). How this makes them bullies is above me. Their methods of diplomacy are also different to what others view as correct but this does not make them bad. I myself tend to resort to launch first and then talk. Now if someone has facts, and not opinions, just list them here and then everyone can make their own decisions.
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I keep hearing equal or larger sized alliance. What does that have to do with a fair fight or just grounds for starting one? If I weighed 145 lbs and was a professional boxer would anyone who weighed 145 lbs or more be considered a fair fight for me? How does experience, commander levels, lands claimed etc weigh into the scales when determining fair? There might be some who drink h? Kool-aid, I am not one of them.
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