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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2012 at 03:04
I hate these topics, because so few of the posters know nothing of the war, as a member of STEEL, i know
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2012 at 05:11
Originally posted by G0DsDestroyer G0DsDestroyer wrote:


Originally posted by abstractdream abstractdream wrote:


... perhaps bringing your friends in from the beginning things would have ended better for you...


Uh..yeah, of course it would, and we didn't want to gang up on you, and kill you all, which has been said by me already no need to say this other than to remind you. Seems this comment is telling me that you would want a bigger alliance to gang up with a bunch of larger ones to kill a small one, to be smart. 

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I'm actually not surprised you would interpret my words in that way but the thrust of the statement was that you acted unilaterally. Acting on your own piles all the consequences for said action on your own head (metaphorically speaking.) Bringing your friends in from the beginning and enlightning them, enlightning anyone actually as to your motives and goals would have dulled the sharp reaction. With consensus the concequences are spread out, sometimes to the point of non-existent. Not a difficult concept really.

My opinion on NC vs STEEL is not going to surprise anyone. Let them have at it. The Forum is available to players and NC engaged it. Why is that even an issue? These debates are enticing to a lot of us. For me personally the metagame is the only thing keeping me here. I assume that a few players would rather I had gone, but this is the very sort of thing that has kept me hanging in there. I am not a grinder. I do not enjoy battling NPCs or building population. I am a thinker, or at least I would like to be. Illy gives me an opportunity to do just that.

Successful ideas are as rare as successful anything else. One is required to spew a bunch of crap and be good enough at spotting gems buried in that crap to make a real go of it. In RL one usually cannot afford to fail over and over again but in a game like Illy, failure is not as scary. None of this is real. Loosing a city is not going to cause one to loose sleep (assuming one is well enough balanced to understand it's not real.) Fight a war, rebuild. No big deal. No one is dead. No one is living in the street. Move on.

Allies stand up for each other. One need not ask, it is assumed that it will happen. What they don't do is interfere in the actual proceedings without an invitation.

Speaking up, here or in GC does not interfere in the actual proceedings, however words have power. What we say has strength in as much as words carry ideas and those ideas can affect and alter the proceedings. That is not action, that is ideas. The difference is that one need not participate personally to cause affect. One only need speak (or in this case, write) to be involved, even in a small way. Most players have no interest in this sort of "manipulation" but those of us who do can find great enjoyment in a successful play.

As for the hugs vs hits debate which has sprung up again, it is entirely bogus. Many huggers fight and many fighters hug, as has been attested to by a few here and elsewhere.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2012 at 05:35
Originally posted by Taron Taron wrote:

Abstractdream, When TLR changed their alliance page saying that they have “Struck fear into the hearts of her enemies.” The spy that infiltrated Aesir and got the wide message to Aesir members must not be able to read, for we decided to continue our fight until we were wiped off the map (As G0dsDestroyer stated earlier in a different post…..). So we really didn’t fear TLR in that war, we knew we could die when they called for friends, yet we stood our ground. Saying they ‘struck’ fear in us is kind of insulting if you consider it a draw anyways. That’s like saying TLR Stood its ground when every alliance that joined backed out, leaving TLR alone, I was suddenly getting a message about peace….


"Stuck fear" & etc. is rhetoric. A good alliance profile, in my opinion should state something to educate the uniformed about the alliance. Flamboyant language seems par for the course. I guess I could tone it down, but I don't see the point. I surely am not concerned about the feelings of our antagonists. If you are insulted, so be it. So what?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2012 at 12:04
I would like to have seen your opinion if everyone had said 

"Let them have at it."

when Aesir had declared war on you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2012 at 13:10
there seems to be a way of playing this game that involves backstabbing and underhand dealings, maybe the ethical game players in the illy community should start exposing these players for the game they are playing, it seems lately we have seen alot of these dealing being mentioned in the forums but its not directed with the right response from players that prefer a more upfront way of playing the game instead of what is currently the direction that illy is going
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2012 at 13:59
Originally posted by Chaos Armor Chaos Armor wrote:

I would like to have seen your opinion if everyone had said 

"Let them have at it."

when Aesir had declared war on you.
what the heck are you people waiting for to call in your "confederations"??? 
if you feel like that,  call them to take up arms at once. 
if you feel you can deal whit this, then keep them out, so easy. 
the whole aesir/trl affair was shady from begin whit. in therms of pop, Aesir was clearly overpowered. in this chase, your pop is slightly bigger, even if understandably you have more player and smaller pop/player ratio.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2012 at 15:32
Originally posted by Chaos Armor Chaos Armor wrote:

I would like to have seen your opinion if everyone had said

"Let them have at it."

when Aesir had declared war on you.



Well, first off my opinion is just mine. If everyone had said "let them have at it" about Aesir attacking TLR, this would be a different game. At the time Aesir's population was 2.5 mil and TLR's was 500k. Currently STEEL has a population of 1.5 mil and NC has 1.4 mil. Those two situations do not seem quite equivilant to me. Maybe my bias is blinding me?

How much different would it have been if Aesir had had just one ally in the loop?

I suppose one can infer my opinion from my posts at the time but let me just state it here, now: IF the community had left Aesir alone to do as they pleased, I would have done the best I could to fight back. All of TLR would have. I think the results would be easily predictable but Aesir would be much more vulnerable to a similar attack on them after we had taken quite a bit of them down with us. The next step would be for someone with a distaste for GD or HtW or whoever to destroy them. Where it ends, who knows?

Aesir declared because they hate EF. The other issues were a smoke screen. It was a simple case of (what Aesir thought was) opportunity. They underestimated the "fair play" mentality of the community. It enlightened me and most assuredly enlightened Aesir.

My opinion then was something along the lines of: it is unfair but so what? My opinion now is: so what? I've become quite accustomed to the pile on. I did nothing to warrant loosing a city yet it is gone because I am associated with Illy's resident villain. Again, so what? If Illy were a simple war game with no political aspect, I would not be here anyway. So what?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2012 at 16:16
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2012 at 16:17
If possible, could someone with first hand experience answer the following questions. Please don't voice your opinion about what the answers should be, I am just asking for a status update. 

What is the current military status of this conflict? 

NC and STEEL in full on warfare? 
Have any further declarations been made? 
Any other alliances sent forces to intervene? 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2012 at 16:51
Quote NC and STEEL in full on warfare? 
Have any further declarations been made? 
Any other alliances sent forces to intervene?

NC has declared war on STEEL.
No other alliances have made any declarations.
Military attacks are incoming to Gim.

Nothing further to report at this time.
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