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Originally posted by ajqtrz ajqtrz wrote:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Let's just stop it right here before you start arguing that people are poor because of inferior reasoning skills.  Because that's so offensive even I'm going to want to siege you.  Not to mention probably out of bounds for the forum.


???  People are poor because poverty is the result not of lack of income, but lack of stability in the multi-generational family group.  As I said, my next book is on the subject. The first third is an analysis of Johnson's "War on Poverty and how Mollie Orshansky's definition of poverty undermined the whole thing before it started (no reflection on Ms Orshansky since nobody else saw the mistake either). 

So I'm not arguing poverty is due to poor reasoning.  Sorry if I implied it.

AJ



BTW, why would you take offense if I were to make that argument?  I don't believe that poverty means the people have less ability to reason and therefore are poor, but what if I did and brought forth solid evidence for my position?  Don't you think it a bit of a closed mind to say you would react  certain way before the argument was even presented?  I know you and you are too sharp to make such commitments before you've heard the evidence (which would be thin to none in this case, I think).  So maybe that was  bit of "tongue in cheek?"


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I am offended because there is no such evidence, although people have tried to manufacture a theory of poverty that blames the poor for centuries, so it would not be surprising.
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You pompous son of a..  you want to talk about real life and gaming?  If you ever said any of this sh.. to me in real life at a gaming table I would take you outside and beat the living crap out of you.  You are offensive, ignorant, and immoral.  
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Originally posted by Sun Tzu Sun Tzu wrote:

You pompous son of a..  you want to talk about real life and gaming?  If you ever said any of this sh.. to me in real life at a gaming table I would take you outside and beat the living crap out of you.  You are offensive, ignorant, and immoral.  

What if he is physically stronger than you?

You can do nothing but accept his rules of game and shut up :D
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Originally posted by Sun Tzu Sun Tzu wrote:

You pompous son of a..  you want to talk about real life and gaming?  If you ever said any of this sh.. to me in real life at a gaming table I would take you outside and beat the living crap out of you.  You are offensive, ignorant, and immoral.  


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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I am offended because there is no such evidence, although people have tried to manufacture a theory of poverty that blames the poor for centuries, so it would not be surprising.


People are sometimes so committed to their position you can bring all the evidence and reasoning to their doorstep you want, but they won't budge.  Their loyalty is to be admired, but loyalty to a false ideology or idea is sadly the right thing for the wrong cause.

So some people wish to blame the poor for their poverty.  My research tends to say poverty, when measured correctly, is a statement about the environment in which multi-generational families live.  It is not, I think, the natural state of people in a stable and peaceful environment.

In any case, one of the premises I start with when I think of morality is that decisions should rest upon as many verifiable facts as possible.  That makes me, of course, think that a person with more knowledge and a more open mind to new knowledge will be more committed to his or her moral stance.  Moral development, in my case, is the desire and drive to develop good reasons for your stance.

Just a thought.

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Originally posted by ajqtrz ajqtrz wrote:

People are sometimes so committed to their position you can bring all the evidence and reasoning to their doorstep you want, but they won't budge.


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Suggesting that you yourself have found evidence is not in itself evidence.  It's just words on a page.

I don't think you have any such evidence.  I think it's highly likely that you are expressing an opinion that you have then found a set of facts that you believe supports the opinion.  As someone who says he has studied logic, rhetoric, etc., you know that this is flawed.

Give it up aj, you are just digging yourself into a hole that you can't dig out of.  And I say that as someone who has tried very hard to be a friend.
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I think we've had  a missunderstanding here, Rill.  I'm not certain of what, in this thread, you think I'm claiming to have evidence for.  I've probably said something that implied something else that I've missed, but not sure what the topic is anymore.

I thought we were speaking of the idea that poor people make less rational decisions, a point of view to which I do not subscribe.  It's a claim by some, but my own thoughts are that they make just as rational decisions as the average person.  So what is it that has upset you? 

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