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Originally posted by DanSavin DanSavin wrote:

You say pay to win I say let them fight. If two players are rich why not have those huge armies fighting with each other until hey are out of gold.

That's right. Fight until they are out of gold. Not fight until the superior strategist wins. Your idea would reduce it to a gold brawl.

Originally posted by DanSavin DanSavin wrote:

And then, making money takes some time as well. So by saying pay to win i think you misunderstood the post. YOU DONT HIRE MERCS FOR PRESTIGE. You hire them with gold. Cnat get that from nowhere.

Completely wrong. I can sell a 75 prestige scrap in Centrum for between 20,000,000 and 25,000,000 gold. I can instantly convert cash money to prestige, instantly convert prestige to gold, and instantly convert gold to troops. That's the very definition of pay to win. It removes even the slightest element of skill from a game.

Originally posted by DanSavin DanSavin wrote:

Repeating same point again. This is not pay to win. I would like to see you having a 30k merc army that cost you 30,000,000 gold (without beer!) and with an upkeep of 10 gold per unit (thats 300000 gold per hour). 
I would like to see how people create insta armies every hour guys.

$3 USD = 20M gold = 20k instant troops? If I'm besieged, I don't care about upkeep. Those troops will all be dead in 5-8 minutes. There are a lot of players who would happily pay $20-50 to break a siege. For tournaments, I'd just move a city near the square, and troop bomb it with cash. I don't even know why you'd bother paying upkeep on ordinary troops, when you can just poof armies into existence with gold, via prestige, via cash.

Whatever game you want to play, I don't think it's Illyriad.
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Originally posted by Ptolemy Ptolemy wrote:

Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

Terrible idea. Pure pay to win. You wouldn't be able to defeat an opponent as long as their gold held out. They could instantly summon enough units to clear a siege, block a raze attempt, or make a sudden military strike from a previously empty city. Plus it would allow a new player to buy prestige, sell a tome, and instantly produce an army. Tournaments would become a total joke.

If you're a new player who wants an army, build it the normal way. It doesn't take much to have a barracks and sov, if you are willing to spend prestige and gold (a prerequisite for this proposal). For Illyriad, this is a terrible place to make a pay to win shortcut.
 
This Sums up what I said in GC. Another problem would be that we would need the Devs to sacrifice a good deal of time that needs to spent elsewhere. Also Say you had 20 cities. If you could get 30K troops per city in no time at all, the possibilities become endless. The capability for war becomes huge. With the only limits being your imagination and your cash.

Easy to make. Mercs are a copy paste code from other units with slightly changed values on build time, stats and upkeep.
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Well everything pretty much comes back to limitations.

1. You all forget that mercs stats are terribad and a normal army will probably destroy them.

2. I find that the amounts of gold people have on servers is TOO DAM HIGH. We need a gold sink.
You say pay to win I say let them fight. If two players are rich why not have those huge armies fighting with each other until hey are out of gold. At least that will create a sure sink for the resource that is already more than abundant.

3. And then, making money takes some time as well. So by saying pay to win i think you misunderstood the post. YOU DONT HIRE MERCS FOR PRESTIGE. You hire them with gold. Cnat get that from nowhere.

4. Repeating same point again. This is not pay to win. I would like to see you having a 30k merc army that cost you 30,000,000 gold (without beer!) and with an upkeep of 10 gold per unit (thats 300000 gold per hour). 
I would like to see how people create insta armies every hour guys.
I will consider changes to the main post 
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  Thumbs Down  If you want instant troops and tp spend money to win  play Evony.  I'm sure they will be opening another server soon.
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I disagree, I believe this is a magnificent idea. But of course it would have to have limits on the amount you can have. Like your relationship with the faction you are recruiting from. 
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Yeah, you need them for the time it takes to move one square from your city.
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Sol even with that limitation, sieges would become meaningless. You get the instant tropes, send them to die, repeat. Keep on doing till your gold runs out.
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mercenaries don't stay your servents forever . so if Devs are really going to implement this than why not set a max time for mercenary units after which they'll automaticly disband

Btw i don't support this idea


Edited by BARQ - 16 Dec 2015 at 15:02
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You could add extra limitations to stop it from being crazy. For instance, make the maximum merc army size half the city population minus the number of regular troops already available. So someone with tons of troops already can't hire any, but someone who was defenseless can at least get something together in a hurry by paying extra. 
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I agree with Brandmeister and Ptolomey. Illy is not an 'instant' game, it takes time and effort to achieve high levels (but no time to start enjoying and learning).
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