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Manannan 
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Joined: 22 Mar 2011 Location: Mystical Mists Status: Offline Points: 576 |
 Topic: Making a standPosted: 24 Sep 2012 at 01:00 |
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Enough is enough!
We all say we don't tolerate bullying but how many of us back it up!? Today I say enough! ~NC~ has been allowed to bully STEEL for weeks now and nobody that says they don't tolerate bullying has stood up to help them! I happily stand alone in this and put the rest of you to shame. I'll freely admit that a lot of the time I find Gim an  a lot of the time but I can say the same thing about sooooooooo many people in the game! I'm not about to eliminate them all from the game. I may threaten to a hell of a lot of the time but how many of you have I actually attacked?! Here's a clue forum readers... NONE! To remove people just because 'I find them annoying' is not time and enjoyment effective. With the time things take in Illy I could have more fun picking fluff out of my bellybutton!If nothing else I'll be a side show in their steamroller over an alliance with no chance of victory. A small distraction if you will. Enjoy it while you can peeps... This could very well be my swan song! Does anyone else have the guts to make the stand with me!? Lets see how many other people are willing to back up words with actions! And in case you guys think I'm jumping in just for the hell of it I've lost over 4k diplomats to attacks on STEEL cities and over 3k troops already from troops I sent to reinforce whilst part of the STEEL confederacy. They were killed whilst enjoying the taverns and brothels of the towns they were in after I'd left REALM. Killing my troops regardless of what alliance I'm in give me casus belli in my eyes.
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Doesn't look good... doesn't look bad either!
"Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
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SunStorm
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Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Location: "Look Up" Status: Offline Points: 979 |
Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 01:05 |
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http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/steel-dominion_topic4175.html
For those unsure what is happening, here are three links to get you all caught up. /me goes to re-read what all is going on here... Here is the heart of it...
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Faenix
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Joined: 29 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 283 |
Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 01:33 |
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I think that you're missing the blame here. Fact of the matter is we're across the map from Gim, he had 3 days forewarning that attacks were incoming (plus we had declared war days before the actual attacks were sent). He had plenty of time to move his own troops out of harm's way, but didn't give you enough warning to send a messenger? We attacked someone that we were at war with, you had plenty of time to be aware that we were at war with STEEL and withdrawal your troops if losing them was a concern. But then, I don't think that this is really about the 7k troops. The great thing about the game is that you're allowed to stand up for what you believe is right. We believe that what we're doing is right and justified, and you obviously believe what you are doing is right and justified. And that's cool, but don't try and play the victim by claiming these troop losses had anything to do with your decision. edit: Just wanted to add that we attempted to contact you via IGM after we found out that your troops were involved in our attack to try and work things out, and we never received a response. We were even willing to reimburse the lost materials if it meant no ruffled feathers. But communication requires two-way effort.
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Kilotov V2.0
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Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Status: Offline Points: 59 |
Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 01:53 |
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i was looking forward to this or similar topics on the matter. actually stunning it got so little screen time considering the unheard waton destruction unleashed upon an alliance, reason for which apparently is simply the distaste expressed by some.
anyhow, i thought STEEL could hold their own against NC, but it seems it's not the case... anyhow, good riddance!
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Jane DarkMagic
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Joined: 10 Sep 2011 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 554 |
Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 01:54 |
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I'll join you Mannanan. Hate seeing people gang up on someone just because they don't like him personally. Has all seemed more mean-spirited than I care to tolerate.
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Rill
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Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903 |
Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 01:59 |
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I will stand with Mana. If it's OK to siege people for being annoying, it's a wonder that I don't have 10 sieges showing up at my gates every day.* This suggests to me that any suggestion that they are doing it because Gim is annoying is not correct. They are doing it because they thought they found a weaker party they could beat on without anyone else caring.
Looks like they were wrong. *I don't try to be annoying. It seems to be an inborn gift. I really try to cut down on it, honest.
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Myr
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Joined: 26 May 2011 Location: Orlando, FL Status: Offline Points: 437 |
Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 02:03 |
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Interesting, I am reading back on the forums and nowhere can I find a statement that says Gim will be removed from the game. The only cities that have been attacked have belonged to the alliance leader, if any of your troops were there at the time then our apologies to their widows and widowers, perhaps you weren't aware that there was a war going on and you just happened to be send them on a holiday to a city that was under attack. Where were you Mana when an alliance declared they would wipe out another alliance? That didn't seem to bother you. |
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Manannan
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Joined: 22 Mar 2011 Location: Mystical Mists Status: Offline Points: 576 |
Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 02:03 |
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ER... how am I missing the blame... Who's forces was it that killed mine again? I knew where there were the same as you guys did. You seemed to miss the key point of my previous post... My troops were enjoying the hospitality of their taverns and brothels. I had left the confederacy and was enjoying the benefits of other persons cities... Peace of the camp rule applies remember! I have no doubt you scouted those cities to see what was there. I have no doubt knowing the strength of STEELs forces you would've succeeded in those missions too. You knew I was there. You knew very little else was there. My troops were there for a LONG time... At least a week. You guys said you had to march 2-3 days to get there. Bad news. My guys were there a long time before you marched. If you'd only waited another couple of days they would've returned home and I most likely would've only said a few things in GC or the forum at most... But you didn't and now I'm backing up words with actions! You can decide for yourself if you've drawn me into this conflict from your own actions! Like you say Faenix its only a game... How much damage can one more person do against you!? Now you have a BIG target to concentrate on! Or do you guys not like picking on someone about your size and only like the tiddlers!? Gim annoys you... Bullies annoy me! Game on!
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"Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
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Manannan
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Joined: 22 Mar 2011 Location: Mystical Mists Status: Offline Points: 576 |
Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 02:07 |
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Also interesting Myr you seem to have become what you despised!
Not actually me thats said that but a number of people in IGMs
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"Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
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Myr
Forum Warrior
Joined: 26 May 2011 Location: Orlando, FL Status: Offline Points: 437 |
Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 02:09 |
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Also, since so many people have selective memory and like to claim we are only doing this because we don't like Gim, I have reported the following which was taken from the last link Sunstorm posted. It explains our list of grievances:
There have been a number of good points raised in this thread,
many of them similar. Kurdruk articulated them best, so we would like to
respond to his post.
Kurdruk's
point is highly valid. If an alliance is attacking just to amuse
themselves, it is very much a concern for all of Illy. However... we did
not attack only (or even primarily) for fun. We attacked because we
have a target who richly deserves it AND we enjoy it. Both conditions
have to be present for us to consider an action like this. We have never
attacked and will never attack anyone solely for fun. It is essential
that they deserve it. In the case of Gim, the reasons for his deserving it are plentiful. Here are a few: -
Some time ago, he tried to get a coalition of other alliances to attack
us over a territory dispute that was already resolved and did not
concern him. (He failed. And of course he wanted other people to do the
fighting, not himself or Steel.) - He
contacted one of our members behind our backs to try to convince him to
reveal private information and to disparage us. (This failed, and of
course our member shared the transcript with us.) - He has tried to poach players from our alliance. (And failed, of course.) - He called one of our members a bigoted epithet that was way over the line and probably not acceptable to post in this forum. -
In the Aesir/TLR conflict where ~NC~ provided the majority of the
military might, Gim again inserted himself into something that was none
of his business. He pretended to be neutral, when in fact he worked
solely for the interests of Aesir, where his alt resided. -
In the days before we began our diplo campaign, we learned from two
separate alliances (with whom we do not have close ties) that Steel was
trying to organize attacks on the Night Confederation, supposedly to
repay us for our involvement in the Aesir/TLR mess. This was the last
straw that caused us to decide to be proactive and attack first. (Gim,
your alliance appears to be crawling with the moles of your many
enemies. Information is coming to us unsolicited from all sorts of
unexpected directions.) We are attacking Steel
because they deserve it. And, we happen to enjoy it. But we would never
attack anyone simply for pleasure alone. Gim has worked hard over a long
period of time to find people to attack us. (As long as it's not
himself or his alliance!) Since he wanted the fight so badly, we decided
to bring it to him.
Kurdruk
is right - our comment there was disingenuous, although deliberately
so. (I'd hoped the sarcasm was obvious.) We are very much trying to make
a point about how weak Gim and Steel actually are. Gim grew Steel on the premise of being strong enough to stand up to Consone. Really? They can't even stand up for themselves!
Anyone who joined Steel wanting to be a part of building something big
and strong has been duped. It does not matter how many join or how many
sister alliances they have - a weak leader means a weak alliance. Kurdruk
commented in a separate post that Gim is not asking for help. On this,
Kurdruk is simply misinformed. Gim has sent an IGM to practically every
player on the server, and had a chatzy or skype conversation with half
of them. The tone of desperation is quite amusing. He has been frantic
and tireless in his efforts to find others to fight the battle that he
has brought on himself. Anyone from Harmless? to alliances with 3
members have been approached with pleas for them to swoop in and save
poor little helpless Steel. We are hearing from
a surprising amount of players who have grievances with Gim, and they
are quietly cheering us on. We didn't want or expect that, but it is
highly interesting. It will be very interesting indeed to see what
develops. Regards, The Electrocutioner (on behalf of Night Crusaders) (PS
- As an aside, the "tactic" of sending vans with resources was utterly
ignorable and would not be worth comment. However, a friend set up a
friendly blockade on Sir Bradly's capital, and good dozen or so were
sent back limping on a very long journey home. I hope they enjoy having
their vans out for a couple of extra days! Please feel free to keep
doing that - we found it quite entertaining.) |
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