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Subatoi 
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
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 Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 21:43 |
Hello all, just my two cents here..
It seems from Luc's point of view here, that the aggressors should have to bear the weight of more enemies, simply for starting the warish conflict?
it also seems to me that this is a "whats right" stance," i was thieved, you kind of admitted it in a snarky way so we war."
So to me it seems the justice thing in illy is odd.. I've noticed newbs here thieve others and just get gently scolded and sent down their merry way, but when its a diplomatic attack with experienced players all of hells doors open up..
Could just be me, oh and Luc, just because LWO was caught one or two times diplomatically attacking bsh does not mean they were responsible for the attacks prior, theres no proof stating such, you are just leaning on a very strong suspicion.
my two cents..
*places two pennies on the ground and walks off*
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Luc_
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 20:04 |
I don't often post in the forums because many things said here are irrational and conversations often escalate to more than discussion. However, it appears we (CoK) are subtly being painted as the baddies due to our involvement, and I feel I should make a brief statement before we turn into the full-blown aggressors in the eyes of the often over-protective global community (no offense intended).
 LordOfTheSwamp wrote:
As I understand the backstory, LWO got caught thieving from BSH, BSH sent thieves in response, LWO then declared war on the grounds that BSH are "aggressive", so BSH besieged a couple of LWO cities, and LWO don't seem to have done much. |
From what I understand of the backstory, your brief rendition of the facts is basically what happened. BSH had been experiencing thefts for a while, and eventually caught LWO as the sender. Before sending any thieves in response, and in a very civil manner, BSH privately messaged Zolvon of LWO questioning the reason for sending so many waves of thieves. Zolvon replied, in what seemed to be a quite conceited tone, "Because your alliance appears to be fundamentally different than ours." This very short and uninformative message prompted BSH to send thieves in response while trying to continue to find an oral diplomatic solution. I don't know if there was anything else done by BSH aside from sending these thieves, but LWO declared war on them. You say LWO doesn't seem to have done much; however, they were the initial aggressors and they declared war.
Rill wrote:
As I recall, the diplos were exchanged after the war declaration, but I might be wrong on the timeline. |
To clear things up, diplos may have continued after war declaration, but LWO continued to send many thieves anonymously before they were caught and declared war.
Rill wrote:
I see no need for anyone else to get involved. |
I hope you mean 'non-allied members of the global community' when you say 'anyone else.' CoK has been allied with BSH since November, and I think it is perfectly rational to go to the aid of our fellow confederate.
Brids17 wrote:
Have you actually bothered asking them? Like in private message? Away from the forums that tend to brew things up... |
This is the first rational thing I've seen in this thread. Glad there are some of you out there. We have not been contacted at all, and I am unaware of any attempts to contact BSH (though there may have been).
I have already written more than I intended, and could probably rant a bit more if I wanted to. The above may or may not clear things up. Either way, I don't care. We are helping our allies who are not the aggressors in a war which was not declared by them. I don't see why there is any question as to the reasoning behind our involvement.
Cheers,
Luc
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WightNolf
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Joined: 20 Nov 2011
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 18:24 |
Gone for a while, and there's a war. Never leaving again.
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 18:17 |
LordOfTheSwamp wrote:
But I'm also curious as to why distant alliances might come to blows |
Have you actually bothered asking them? Like in private message? Away from the forums that tend to brew things up...
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 17:03 |
As I recall, the diplos were exchanged after the war declaration, but I might be wrong on the timeline. The general rationale given for the war thus far has been "for fun and experience." BSH has not to my knowledge asked anyone else to involve themselves in the conflict, and since LWO are the apparent aggressors (they declared the war), it would be BSH if anyone who could lay claim to community sentiment that they were unfairly targeted.
I see no need for anyone else to get involved.
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Aurordan
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Player Council - Ambassador
Joined: 21 Sep 2011
Location: United States
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 16:20 |
Love World Order Profile wrote:
A message to the Citizens of Elgea.
At this time we in this Alliance are at war with the BLACK SCULL HORDE, a collection of ugly, misshapen and nasty orcs who have picked on some of the nice, friendly citizens of this fair land. Shame on them! BLACK SCULL HORDE is a disgrace to the noble race of Orcs whose achievements rank amongst the highest in our lands. Such conduct is unworthy of true Orcs. Our gallant forces are endeavouring to restrain these bloodthirsty oafs from continuing to act in such barbarous ways, and to leave defensive peaceful others alone! Note: A copy of this has been sent to the Illayriad Herald for public viewing. Granlik 
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Might shed some light too?
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Angrim
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Joined: 02 Nov 2011
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 16:01 |
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Magnificence was on gc yesterday. With luck, he will grace us with his presence on the thread, but in essence he portrayed it as an opportunity to give LWO some much-needed experience. The choice of BSH as an opponent was because they were slightly larger than LWO and would pose a fair challenge. If there is more to it than that, he did not let on. I was not aware that CoK had involved themselves.
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LordOfTheSwamp
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Joined: 23 May 2011
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 15:14 |
SugarFree wrote:
Lord, let them slug it out far away from the lime light please...
there is no need for the overprotective community to stick it's brown nose int this. |
This was not intended as an invitation to "the community" or anyone else to get involved. And I'm aware of the entirely arbitrary way that the community behave in the name of "protecting".
But I'm also curious as to why distant alliances might come to blows, I'm aware that this is escalating, and I'm inclined to think that people in general - "the community" or otherwise - make worse decisions from a position of ignorance than of knowledge. And if I blog about it, I'd like to get my facts straight.
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"A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander.
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Anjire
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 12:25 |
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I think the community has been content to let LWO and BSH slug it out on their own because till now they have kept this between their respective alliances.
I do not know if LWO has called upon any of their immediate confeds yet but If CoK is getting involved the conflict is now more likely to blossom further and involve more alliances.
So, in my opinion, Kurdruk has a legitimate reason to ask for more information in regards to this conflict.
~Anjire
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Aurordan
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 12:18 |
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I think LWO attacked BSH thinking they would get help and support from their allies, and that failed to materialize. The other alliances are just the Horde's allies piling on for the opportunity to work out their armies and do some more damage, though both sides are pretty far away, and I don't think a city has been razed yet. Also LWO briefly changed their name. That makes me kind of curious.
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