LWO war

LordOfTheSwamp wrote: As I understand the backstory, LWO got caught thieving from BSH, BSH sent thieves in response, LWO then declared war on the grounds that BSH are "aggressive", so BSH besieged a couple of LWO cities, and LWO don't seem to have done much.

From what I understand of the backstory, your brief rendition of the facts is basically what happened. BSH had been experiencing thefts for a while, and eventually caught LWO as the sender. Before sending any thieves in response, and in a very civil manner, BSH privately messaged Zolvon of LWO questioning the reason for sending so many waves of thieves. Zolvon replied, in what seemed to be a quite conceited tone, "Because your alliance appears to be fundamentally different than ours." This very short and uninformative message prompted BSH to send thieves in response while trying to continue to find an oral diplomatic solution. I don't know if there was anything else done by BSH aside from sending these thieves, but LWO declared war on them. You say LWO doesn't seem to have done much; however, they were the initial aggressors and they declared war. 

Rill wrote: As I recall, the diplos were exchanged after the war declaration, but I might be wrong on the timeline.

To clear things up, diplos may have continued after war declaration, but LWO continued to send many thieves anonymously before they were caught and declared war. 

Rill wrote: I see no need for anyone else to get involved.

I hope you mean 'non-allied members of the global community' when you say 'anyone else.' CoK has been allied with BSH since November, and I think it is perfectly rational to go to the aid of our fellow confederate.

Brids17 wrote: Have you actually bothered asking them? Like in private message? Away from the forums that tend to brew things up...

This is the first rational thing I've seen in this thread. Glad there are some of you out there. We have not been contacted at all, and I am unaware of any attempts to contact BSH (though there may have been). 

I have already written more than I intended, and could probably rant a bit more if I wanted to. The above may or may not clear things up. Either way, I don't care. We are helping our allies who are not the aggressors in a war which was not declared by them. I don't see why there is any question as to the reasoning behind our involvement. 

Cheers,
Luc

listen, if you declare war on an ally with confed, you sure bet they are not gonna sit there just doing nothing do you?

it's LWO fault for attacking, has petty motives and all in all seems looking for death... seriously who taunts the biggest orc ally with no death wish?

I admit there is no proof in regards to this matter. However, when Skull' messaged Zolvon with an inquiry about the thieving, Zolvon did not say that the thieves were not sent by LWO. 

Relaying the amount of thieves that were sent was not the primary point of my previous message, though. 

I know you are attempting to find little flaws in my statement - little pieces of information that you might be able to use to point fingers at me and my CoK, when clearly fingers should be pointed at your own, alliance. 

Cheers.                                                                                                                       (EDIT: Spelling)

LWO thieved BSH, got caught.

BSH messaged Zolvon, he admitted BSH was targeted due to unexplained philosophical differences and because of their alliance to CoK. That part was rather specific, actually, compared to the rest.

Zolvon states that they want to have a fun war, does not wait for BSH to agree or disagree, before a random member (no idea who, as all members have all alliance options) declares war with Zolvon's agreement.

Attacks against BSH are made, repelled, and the count attack begins.

LWO would have to give you more, as they have not communicated further with BSH, that I know of, but those are all of the relevant facts.

So, there ya go: Thread question answered. Toodles!