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Marquesta 
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 Topic: Leather Armour, Cost and Profit?
Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 04:33 |
I've just decided I will make no more leather. I figure I've got enough to last me quite awhile, and at the cost of making one suit of leather armour, to sell it at the current market price is to lose money. Might as well just sell the cows. What is the cost you ask? For those who haven't worked it out, here it is;
3 Gold 10 wood @ 1.4 5 clay @ 1.4 15 iron @ 1.4 1 cow @ 895 = 1066 gold, roughly
1.4 is the average price that I will buy res for - 895 is the lowest selling price for a cow as of right now. Some may come up with a lower number, some higher, but look at the price of leather armour! Right now the lowest selling price is 900 gold. That is a loss of 166 gold! And that's not counting what it costs if you have sov claimed to make the leather faster! What's the point of making leather to sell if its costing you more gold than you can sell it for? The first leather I sold in Illy was for 3000 gold. Wouldn't it be great to at least see the price of leather go up to above the cost to make it? At any rate, I'm dropping all leather sov, then I'm suspending all leather production except for what I will use myself, and wait for the market to recover. |
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Ander
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Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 07:42 |
One reason for the high price of cows could be that they cannot be stolen? Leather can be stolen.
wood clay and iron may not be considered as a "cost" by many, once their cities are built up fully and they have overflow.
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Marquesta
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Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 09:33 |
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Of course its a cost! You either have to produce it, this is figured in time, or you have to buy it with gold! Yes there is a price for resources, no matter their source! But even if you take out the cost of the basic resources, your still left with little or no profit for your time and effort.
ETA: Common people! Give me some input here!
Edited by Marquesta - 08 Apr 2012 at 09:34
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Createure
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Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 10:35 |
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The demand for saddles is much higher than the demand for leather... hence the demand for cows which can become saddles is higher than the demand for leather... hence turning cows into leather depreciates them. m'kay?
Edited by Createure - 08 Apr 2012 at 10:38
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Jalont
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Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 13:21 |
Some people are working to increase the price of leather (I know this isn't really what you're looking for), while others are working to do the opposite. As Createure noted, the problem is supply and demand. The price of leather has been slightly rising lately, and I fully expect that this increase will continue. Look for it to cross the 1000 mark in about 11 days, but as of now, it is cheaper to buy it than create it... kind of.
Cows are more expensive because they are hard to come by in newer towns. It's as simple as that.
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Aurordan
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Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 14:12 |
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First of all, that math is not even close to correct. And yes, to echo earlier comments, saddles are a better money-making product, because they will tend to get burned through faster and get a better margin per cow. The reason people don't consider the basic resources a cost is that at a certain point you're making more than you can use anyway and don't notice it much.
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John5420*
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Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 15:07 |
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It is basic supply and demand ... so if you don't want to make leather armor for sale, don't.
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Marquesta
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Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 19:04 |
 Aurordan wrote:
First of all, that math is not even close to correct. And yes, to echo earlier comments, saddles are a better money-making product, because they will tend to get burned through faster and get a better margin per cow. The reason people don't consider the basic resources a cost is that at a certain point you're making more than you can use anyway and don't notice it much. |
Ok, so do the math for us! Don't just sit there and tell me I'm wrong and not why or how!
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Marquesta
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Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 19:10 |
John5420* wrote:
It is basic supply and demand ... so if you don't want to make leather armor for sale, don't. |
This post has one purpose; I am hoping to make people aware of how much they put into a thing, and how much they get out of it. Personally, I believe that most people put things for sale on the market and don't stop to think how much that thing cost them to make, they just look at the lowest selling price and price theirs accordingly.
If everyone were made aware of the cost to build advanced res, maybe we would see decent prices for goods?
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nitin2011
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Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 19:35 |
3 Gold 10 wood @ FREE* 5 clay @ FREE* 15 iron @ FREE* 1 cow = ~880 = ~883 gold
*when there is nothing to build further and all basic resources are all in RED always..
and yes - agree with you, there is no profit in leather sell cow instead :D but players with 20K+ population and 7 sq food need to build something :)
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