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Poll Question: Is a land claim or a declaration of Homeland better?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Han Dynasty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 21:44
Originally posted by phoenixfire phoenixfire wrote:

Originally posted by phoenixfire phoenixfire wrote:

We will treat it like Triviums Zone 2 claim meaning we will not adhere to any land claims within this area. 
You can try and claim it all you want. We will not listen or comply with such a claim.


At least not until you are the dominant power in that zone, then you will start enforcing LCs.
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Originally posted by phoenixfire phoenixfire wrote:

We will treat it like Triviums Zone 2 claim meaning we will not adhere to any land claims within this area. 
You can try and claim it all you want. We will not listen or comply with such a claim.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jejune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 20:40
Stark doesn't even know what Stark has. Based on the merry-go-round of policies that they've posted (you'll recall that their first land claim coordinates were completely wrong and had them claiming mostly water), what they have is a "no-claim zone."

The "no-claim zone" was implemented by TVM. It is not a land claim because there is no settlement restriction enforcement. However, disallowing other alliances from setting up a claim in a "no-claim zone" IS enforced. This is what Phoenixfire indicated the Stark claim now is.

This "Declaration of Homeland" that PF invented -- which is a cool idea -- is not the same thing as a "no-claim zone." All a DoH is is an unofficial area that an alliance calls a "homeland" because most of their cities are clustered there. There is no policy enforcement whatsoever -- no restrictions outside of the 10-square rule. They are similar to the "prominent alliance clusters" on the map, in that they are just there to show people where alliances' cities are pooled.

DoHs are really cool, and if we implement them on a map, they definitely enrich the whole "strategic map" concept. But Stark doesn't have a DoH, but rather a "no-claim zone." Or at least based on what they last said. They might change it yet again after PF reads this.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 20:18
I'm okay with Stark having a Homeland instead of a Land Claim. Land claims are different though, and I believe it to be best for Hansa to keep theirs.  Differences in alliance policies doesn't make you an enemy.Well, I can't speak for everyone.. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Diva Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 02:08
I looked up egregious. Strikes me as fitting.  I like the words outstandingly bad. The synonyms fill in the most words left unsaid to the LC's.

e·gre·gious
əˈɡrējəs/
adjective
  1. 1.
    outstandingly bad; shocking.
    "egregious abuses of copyright"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Angrim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 00:01
i suspect Stark will encounter all the same resistance. ajqtrz's ethical objections aside, a fair amount of the resistance to land claims is an administrative objection. for those in large organisations, policing so many different situations across the map before approving a settlement is egregious.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote King korr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 23:49
Originally posted by phoenixfire phoenixfire wrote:

That is a fair definition. Also can anyone vote on this poll? Under the poll it says that I can not.

Yet phoenix that isn't what you've done, the region you're settling such as no settling within 13 sq's ect so your's is closer to a land claim than a homeland. As being a homeland claim you wouldn't of needed to post in forum but put on your alliance summary something like:

Region A is where we will be settling and all new members will be encouraged to settle their cities there which is what 99% of all alliance's with a homeland do .

And wouldn't put no settling within 13 sq's as quiet literally if your harvesting outside the 10 sq's it's common illy practice to put an army on your kill to protect it 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GM Rikoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 19:23
Voting should be working now! 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote phoenixfire Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 19:19
That is a fair definition. Also can anyone vote on this poll? Under the poll it says that I can not.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jejune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 19:14
It might be a good idea to better define what a Declaration of Homeland is first. In my mind, a "DoH" is  a demarcation of where on the Illy maps an alliance's main cluster of cities is, but that includes no restrictions, regulations or policies on settlement. There are no "political boundaries" -- just a more qualitative sense of where the alliance focuses its own settlement. Is that a fair definition?

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