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I take what Kumo says at face value. I can't begin to guess the number of times something Kumo went on in GC about or the forums made me throw things or yell at my computer, but I respect what he has done here.

The real problem wasn't, that as you say, what you said was taken as H? policy since you were a Director. It was the fact that no other H? Director ever followed up your post or statement and said that it wasn't. Regardless, water under the bridge, and congrats on your RL happenings...
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apology accepted




Edited by realist - 27 Feb 2014 at 01:13
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Originally posted by Tatharion Tatharion wrote:

Now, I will renew yet again my call for peace in Elgea:


Coming from someone who was agitating for VIC to join the war against H?  I find this hypocritical.
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I dont know that Ive ever been offended personally by Kumo, but none the less I can respect the gesture here. Kudos to you and yours Kumo and more important Congrats to all the new happenings in RL. 
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From the other forum posting on this topic (at http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/a-short-treatise-on-the-early-history-of-illyriad_topic5454_page1.html) I spent quite a bit of time reading a lot of partial facts and attempts to clarify the conflicts which have come to a head over NC.  Mind you as a victim of their "play"; I can lend a bit of perspective with that regard; but I found that Halcyon pretty much summed it up:  

"22 Feb 2014 at 09:25
Before the war Dark and Harmless were still allies and we conveyed to H? leadership our unwillingness to stand by while NC continued their campaign of aggression. The answer was always the same: any action against NC will result in full support to them by H? and The Coalition.
When H? leadership declared war on EE they did so in support of NC and TVM and were beginning to make good upon that promise/threat.
They actively supported NC and TVM aggression and have no real cause to claim the high moral ground.
They expected to win this war as they did all those who came before it. They were wrong.
While Illyriad and Elgea will be poorer without H?, NC, TVM and Dlords, if these alliances remain active after the war, they surely need to consider a major change in leadership. Arrogance fueled by past victories led them into very poor choices. They were not the benevolent rulers who HM is attempting to paint them."

Frankly I was contacted by Janosh in the early days of the confederation and while in charge of diplomacy in OCON, had grave misgivings as to the unwillingness of both to modernize their stance over the 10 square rule; which even as early as January of 2012 was squeezing new players excessively over land that would never be used; and therefore turned overtures by both down.  Because of abuse by newbs of training alliances of larger ones and the aggression by non-allied farm accounts of both; we had to take a strong stand as well in our training alliance Plantagenet.  I think that we can trace the whole of this current conflagration to the greed over the new special resources as well as the 10 space rule.  Both represent a mentality of "I was here 1st and do not have to share" & I think we need to temper that a bit.  

I think the 10 square rule should be reduced to 8 & we cease this scorched earth policy which began with Black & continued with the likes of players once or now contained in the alliance NC.  That NS (their training alli) cheers them on so often and actively participated in the dog pile on SirRazer at the start of the NC-BANE war is still troubling; as is the frequency of training alliance leaders forgetting to educate their players in basic diplomacy, such as ask first and don't attack ANY player for ANY reason without permission.  We have a lot to do to keep this a fully newb friendly game (which is why I and many of my alli-mates are still here 2+ years after becoming an Evony SS66 refugees).  I am still extremely proud to be an Illy player, but have to admit seeing GC denigrate to the likes of Evony was sad - no way I could have my grandson be playing here with me seeing that stuff.  I am glad that is turning around a bit, but the forums still have plenty of that vitriol.  Let's come to terms with the major irritants that keep fueling war, why don't we?  

The 10 square rule needs to be the first to be examined in my opinion.... I'd like to see replies to this post and some thoughts on what the irritants have been, not who said what, please?
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The 10 square rule, which isn't an actually square, should be increased and not decreased. I think 10.999 should be considered 10.
There are hundreds of dead city building strategy games out there where players are stacked on top of each other, Illy will follow them the instant the whole map becomes just like the newb circle.
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Jenin: I think you should start a new thread for this discussion.
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Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:

People will read whatever they want to read into what someone says, be it positive or negative.

I'm sure i'll probably be sieged out the the game and go down in new Illy history as a 'gc troll' because of what I say, though most will ignore the fact I was also vocally against the trove war.

Only thing I can do is stay the person I am, ignore the threats and taunts, and play a game the way I want to...with no fear of what I say being misinterpreted to be used against those around me.

I know I can speak for most of Illy in saying that we want no part of a game where you get attacked for joking around in gc, roleplaying, having heated discussions or pretty much anything else done in gc or igm.

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Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:

The 10 square rule, which isn't an actually square, should be increased and not decreased. I think 10.999 should be considered 10.
There are hundreds of dead city building strategy games out there where players are stacked on top of each other, Illy will follow them the instant the whole map becomes just like the newb circle.
 
; )  ... and you still cling to your interpretation doggedly . . .  it was enough to nearly cause your demise in the past  ( more calmly handled on our side than yours, you must admit ) . . .  even stubborn dwarves should be able to accept the fact that, at least on this count, there can be a clearly wrong side of an argument . . .
 
Certainly the "10 square rule" has utterly no hope of expanding,  I do indeed see the rationale for it to shrink, to the extent that perhaps even the hard coded game mechanics could be detuned a bit.  A game supported 7.5 or 8 square exodus/tenaril cap could be well supported now, and perhaps even avoid some future confrontations.
 
(Except of course with certain blockheaded dwarves)
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Originally posted by Le Roux Le Roux wrote:

 
Certainly the "10 square rule" has utterly no hope of expanding,  I do indeed see the rationale for it to shrink, to the extent that perhaps even the hard coded game mechanics could be detuned a bit.  A game supported 7.5 or 8 square exodus/tenaril cap could be well supported now, and perhaps even avoid some future confrontations.
 
(Except of course with certain blockheaded dwarves)

I have no problem with someone within 8 squares of me, or even 7 if they have courtesy enough to ask if it's a problem. Maybe this is because my head is more rounded as opposed to the block type....Smile
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