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Rorgash 
Postmaster
Joined: 23 Aug 2011
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Points: 894
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 Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 00:12 |
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i think its about time for a good old fashion exterminatus
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Detritus
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 Oct 2012
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Points: 60
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Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 11:36 |
 The_Dude wrote:
As part of asking nicely for easier terms, explain why terms should be easier on certain players - things like limited participation, losses already suffered. Perhaps counter with Exodus in certain cases. |
My point only was, that asking, and perhaps offering a reasonable counter offfer (an option mentioned by some Coalition players already), might be more promissing than demanding it from a position of subjective strenght...
... and with regards to long siege travel times, and with Hath actually initializing the dissolution of Consone (which would show some tendency to peace), I was just suggesting a reopening of the negotiations to both sides, and perhaps a rethinking of the additional towns fee...
...and yes, exodus of certain towns (maybe those additional ones?) might be an alternative acceptable to both sides...?
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Ossian
Forum Warrior
Joined: 12 Oct 2010
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Points: 456
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Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 13:04 |
No one seems to have taken my earlier suggested plea seriously VV
No one seems to feel concerned or motivated enough to resolve this hangover from the Consone War sensibly and by mediation. To have done so would have allowed both sides and the Illy Community to move on. To have done so would also provided both sides with a degree of respect by ending an unnecessary conflict sensibly.
If the leaders of the respective parties are interested to show their maturity then I suggest their first action would be contact each other to agree on approaching a neutral mediator ...
...to leave things as they are and do nothing allowing senseless warmongers to run amok both on the forums and the world map is a sad refelection on the game of Illyriad. Successful alliance leaders are only measured by their maturity.
This all that I will say on this proposal
Edited by Ossian - 31 Mar 2013 at 13:14
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Deranzin
Postmaster
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Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 14:16 |
Ossian wrote:
No one seems to have taken my earlier suggested plea seriously VV
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You are sooooo self-important, you know that .?. 
Everyone saw your suggestion, but whoever put you incharge of the community and the warring alliance and to declare what is "respectful" or not ?
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Detritus
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 Oct 2012
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Points: 60
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Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 14:45 |
Problem is... what should a mediator do? Both sides have their idea on the terms, one side doesn't have the need to mediate anything, the other side so far sees the terms as too high. Some months ago, I had seconded the idea of a mediator, although already there it was denied... But at this point, what could a mediator alter in here?
Search a player within EE (or another alliance), who is willing to try to talk to H? again, ask H? nicely, if they let him into their embassy, and then perhaps you could clarify some misunderstandings, discuss on towns to be sieged, etc... but he can't really be called a mediator then...he actually would be a diplomat of EE.
A direct emissary always is better in such talks; A mediator only has success, if both sides actually have problems with the status quo, and want to find a compromise (which doesn't seem to be the case here...). |
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Hadus
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Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 16:31 |
Rorgash wrote:
i think its about time for a good old fashion exterminatus |
One of the positives of this war...at least the orcs started behaving like orcs.
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Epidemic
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Joined: 03 Nov 2012
Location: USA
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Points: 768
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Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 18:38 |
I'll throw my hat in the ring and ask to be the mediator... 
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
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Points: 1857
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Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 20:52 |
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Another "just WOW" is all I can say about this thread now
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Bonfyr Verboo
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opk
Greenhorn
Joined: 23 Mar 2013
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Points: 60
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Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 21:19 |
Just play world of warcraft then :)
(and sorry GM Luna about what you edited on my post, wanted to use a strong picture to illustrate my point... but was not the best comparison at all...)
Edited by opk - 31 Mar 2013 at 21:19
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HonoredMule
Postmaster General
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Canada
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Points: 1650
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Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 23:33 |
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Throwing tantrums (whether publicly or privately) is far from reason enough to get either the grace of reduced terms or the convenience of someone else negotiating terms for you while you pout in a corner like a social anchor. Properly handled diplomacy is often a chore for everyone and and yet the task gets done because that's the price of civilization itself, as a preliminary foundation to any details of actual issues being addressed.
When children lack the manners and social graces to behave themselves at the dinner table, they are sent away empty-handed. No one gathers a nice meal for them as reward for refusing to play nice long enough to eat peacibly. How much more then should adults be expected to resolve their own problems personally? And if you hold the responsibility of a leadership position, then surely you ought to at least be able to muster the social graces and personal responsibility of an adult.
It's embarrassing that I actually have to spell this out. It's like explaining why people have to fill their own gas tanks and pay for the gas.
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