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Points: 1853 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 01:06
Originally posted by The Electrocutioner The Electrocutioner wrote:

Originally posted by HATHALDIR HATHALDIR wrote:


Well i stand here with shovel in hand, EE cannot make peace with converations like this.

You mean the conversation you started by creating this thread?


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Hath,

While it is certainly your decision if you seek destruction, please be aware that there is no sense in saying you desire peace. (/me hopes people don't rant about them never wanting peace)

If Consone was founded for the purpose of keeping peace, EE is currently not following that path. The power to end this war has been in your hands and you say you have no interest in it. 

It seems that some value pride more than peace. (This applies to more than just EE)

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This post is a plea for mediation to end this.

Before Consone dissolved they recommended that Manannan be apponited to act as a mediator between themselves and the Coalition Alliances. At that point , it was rejected, by KP ( I think)  because the war still ongoing and the Coalition were seeking the dissolution of Consone.
 
Since then Consone has disssloved ( announced by Hathaldir himself) and all of the alliances have agreed to surrender seperately .
 
From this point on, I think , it was clear that Coalition had won the War and achieved those goals which they had stated in open forum.
 
The situation with EE is the only remaining issue outstanding and this ( like the War itself) has created much bad feeling within the community.
 
Since H? leaders now know that they have achieved their victory conditions but cannot reach agreement with the last alliance. I propose that:
 
1. That a mediator be appointed to resolve outstanding isssues
2. That a truce be agreed for a set time to allow the Mediator to reach an honourable agreement with both parties;
3. The other parties would be KP or his appointed rep and Hath or his appointed rep;
4. Once agreement is reached it will be binding on all alliances involved in this dispute;
 
 
As for who the mediator might be - this would have to be agreed by KP and Hath. I would suggest that:
 
1. Mannanan and/or
2 Angrim...
 
....are considered to be neutral and very good choices.
 
For the good of the community lets end this last vestige of the Great Trove War without further rancour
 
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Points: 1853 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 15:30

If we were to agree to a mediator then neither of those two would be acceptable (to various members of the coalition).

As it is this looks like a further attempt from EE to find a way to get reduced terms without actually negotiating since all other methods have failed so far (including this thread).  That is unless you are finally admitting that Hath is incapable of negotiating in a reasonable manner.

FYI - referring to this conflict as the "Great Trove War" is furthering the rancor as that name was invented by Absa as a way to try to belittle the reasons behind the conflict.
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Points: 35 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 17:12

There was some forum discussion at the start of the war as to what it should be called. Several people contributed. I don't recall Absa as having been responsible for suggesting the name the 'Great Trove War'.

However, the stated reason for the initial conflict was a comparatively minor skirmish on a Trove mine which in my view makes the 'Great Trove War' as good a name as any.

As to whether there is any prospect of H? and EE reaching some sort of agreement I am not in a position to comment  as I do not know the thinking in either alliance. Nor do I know other than what has been posted on these forums what steps the parties concerned took that brought us to the stage were some agreement looks so unlikely. I have noted that some people who have no way of knowing have posted assumptions about Absa's thinking in reaching an agreement with H?. I wish they hadn't.

I suspect if an agreement is to be reached between H? and EE that they will both have to move quite substantially from what based on recent forum postings seem fairly entrenched positions. If both parties are not able to do that then I would like to express my hope that H? and allies feel able to call a halt to subsequent hostilities sooner rather than later and that the members of EE feel able to accept that and continue within the game.
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Points: 1853 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 18:24
Originally posted by Jorcle Jorcle wrote:

I don't recall Absa as having been responsible for suggesting the name the 'Great Trove War'.


http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/illy-world-war1_topic4333_post56203.html

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Points: 2224 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 18:39
And along your line of reasoning, Jorcle, then The First World War should have been called "The Great Ferdinand War" and The second World War should have been called "The Great Polish War"...

The war need not be named after the proverbial "straw"...

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Points: 35 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 19:05

Per the reference provided by KP I accept that Absa were first to provide us with the suggestion of 'Trove War'.

Kumo ww1 was just called the Great War or the World War until ww2 came along. I expressed a view that the Great Trove War was as good a name as any. I did not say that it was the only logical reasoned name or indeed that it was logical at all.  
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Points: 2396 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 19:06
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

The second World War should have been called "The Great Polish War"...

Wow, I bet Czechoslovakia feels left out now. =P
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