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twilights 
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 Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 18:05 |
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i am a little confused on who won? is ee hinting that they will not be making troops while this continues or will they just not defend themselves? i will say this, it is excellent strategy and its being very well played. good luck to all involved, i am waiting for my orders on what to do. but again very good strategy, its become a fight of wills! who will back down first?
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opk
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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 17:39 |
Ok so here are some questions:
Other people than EE leadership and membership, in the Illy community, may feel the war dept for EE is too high. Indeed, some may think they already lost quite enough during this war compared to the coalition, and that we should reduce their payment to H?... How could these people influence the outcome of what will happen to EE members? I mean, i have a bad taste in the mouth when i hear about all this. EE could be crushed to anihilation if H? wanted so of course, as they are stronger, and nobody would help them.
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So i repeat my question: How could the part of the community feeling it's going too far, do something about it? Should we make a vote? would H? anyway care about others opinion? what would happen if H? and the coalition dont care about opinions? Or should there be a third party chosen to help finding a balanced agreement between H? and EE? and who could it be?
This thread is initially a request for help, we should digest it seriously. If the community dont help in that case it can be seen as a failure to assist a person in danger. This person could die if it continues like this. But this person is an alliance. I think that when there's a risk of genocide, the civilised and democratic people we are in this community should be able to have a say and a do.
What do you think?
Edited by GM Luna - 30 Mar 2013 at 04:32
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 17:01 |
 Gaius Rufius Tullus wrote:
How about this.. After the 3 H? members finally agree on the terms, then they can open the discussion with EE [again]. |
We are in complete agreement. KP has been leading these discussions now for months... not sure where you thought there was confusion?
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Mayflower
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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 16:55 |
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I understand that H?'s terms might seem rather harsh and unfair to the EE. You might think that they're greedy or bloodthirsty. Yet others might think that it's well within their rights as victors, that they're being nice by offering terms when they can take it all.
We can argue all day about who's right or wrong, but in the end, besides creating more hostilties, nothing will get done this way. The truth is, all of that doesn't matter. Sure, EE can go ahead and defend what they think is right, and everyone will march to war again. But when the dust settles, H? will probably get what they wanted in the terms anyway, and more besides. Even if EE is right, they are in no position to fight H?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, EE should come to an agreement with H?, no matter the terms, instead of taking up arms again. While it might seem unfair, it's better than nothing. Instead of successfully "defending your honor", resistance will only lead to more bloodshed, and give H? more loot. Go for peace instead, as giving up many cities is better than having them all razed, and your followers will thank you for it.
A strong leader should do what is right for those who follow him, no matter how much it hurts himself.
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Rorgash
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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 16:50 |
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they dont need to be productive, some of the coalition members would love to raze towns for the rest of this year, me being one of them
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KillerPoodle
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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 16:49 |
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Um - because it's true?
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Gaius Rufius Tullus
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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 16:23 |
How about this.. Since there were two diplomatic channels open between H? and EE, how about we merge them into one? After the 3 H? members finally agree on the terms, then they can open the discussion with EE [again].
In the mean time, I will stop attacking H? or looking at them in a negative light (It's in my blood, you crushed our sieges two years back) and pretending to know what is going on. I think it might also be wiser if the wider leadership of EE were contacted, because from what I have seen and heard on this thread, it looks like EE is an oligarchy. Might I also kindly suggest that we stop saying "EE are trying to save face - boooo!!"? That does seem very counter productive, though I can see why someone would say that  |
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belargyle
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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 16:08 |
Please stop pretending like EE is only defending themselves and they are looking for peace. Bull Crap. They are looking for a way to save face and make themselves look strong in spite of their continued and persistent poor choices. They jumped in on the war cause they thought they could win, and they screwed up! They have played the 'we want peace' card enough, and backed out every time, that no one trusts most anything they say. We don't want to 'hear' them say we want peace, we want to see them act on it.
If you dont' want peace, keep doing what you're doing, you prove our point. If you do, take the surrender terms and obtain the peace you claim to want. Otherwise stop the non-sense talk about 'wanting peace', pick up a sword and stand your post. Either way, we will be coming, to accept either proposal, your surrender or your Cities. We would prefer your surrender but we can deal with the later just as well.
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 16:00 |
realist wrote:
I feel the reason their alliance decided to reject the offer is because the belittling will never end. Once all of the chosen towns are razed, they can sense H? will not be satisfied.
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The belittling will never end? To my knowledge, the former Consone alliances that have surrendered have been treated with nothing but respect....
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The_Dude
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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 15:50 |
Grego wrote:
I am so tired of all this
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Which is why you made peace, I assume.
And apparently EE is NOT tired of this since they prefer to continue the war.
I don't understand the point of Hath starting these threads. They have no impact on his enemies. They do not recruit military aid for EE.
Perhaps Hath needs to bolster the morale of his membership and uses these dramatic public threads to do so.
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