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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2013 at 14:02
Freedom!!! i will raze him now because clearly he rules dont apply to him :D
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2013 at 14:30
rules rules rules

This conversation wouldn't even be happening without the rules of language.

There are rules to every game because by definition a game has a goal of some sort to declare a winner or person winning. Even if you create a game and state there are no winners or losers in "this" game or even rules to the game, you have just defined a rule.

I enjoy the game the most when I fully understand the explicit and implicit rules and then play within those rules to the best of my abilities.

There are some games that this enjoyment is just not enough, so I move onto a different game.

I like to play Checkers; however, I won't play Checkers day after day for hours a day.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2013 at 14:34
Originally posted by WeeAshley WeeAshley wrote:

 However, judging someone else's rules is impossible as we only have their outward behaviours to judge them by.

(To some extent) I agree with you on that one, that´s why I was referring to the effects/what he was doing/saying. 

Originally posted by WeeAshley WeeAshley wrote:

 I suspect the people in this game who 'win' will do so by breaking some rules as well.

Of course (and there are few rules that can be fulfilled totally, usually there is always an extent of deviation involved even by trying living to the letter of a rule. So personally I think the ways you arrive at a certain judgement are much more important than rules)! But there are different ways of doing it, and sticking to the rules on a higher order may be one of it (see the Ursor Directive thread in the politics Forum for a nice example), and if you are looking on the player stats right now, it can be even quite sucsessful. 

The (partially) rulebreaking wars in favour of the rules have been won by the side in favour of these rules so far... That can change of course Confused

Originally posted by WeeAshley WeeAshley wrote:

 losers redefine words to mean 

They do, as the victors do, meaning is context-related at least, if not context-generated, so every usage of a word is a kind of redefinition. Meanings are not naturally endowed upon us (neither are lexicons and dictionaries), but results of struggles over them, that´s just what we are doing here Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2013 at 14:38
Originally posted by Aristeas Aristeas wrote:

They do, as the victors do, meaning is context-related at least, if not context-generated, so every usage of a word is a kind of redefinition. Meanings are not naturally endowed upon us (neither are lexicons and dictionaries), but results of struggles over them, that´s just what we are doing here Smile

Ari - look up "tongue-in-cheek."  It's an English slang/expression my German friend!

I think we are agreeing in an argumentative tone.  It's always amusing when that happens.

When did Dwarves get so philosophical?

/me laments not playing an Orc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2013 at 14:54
Well, face-to-face I would have seen that your tongue was in your cheek, but hard to tell if you are just seeing the typed words ;) ^^

(like the picture of it, will try to remember it !)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2013 at 20:33
I have a theory. I believe the sort of "evil" or malicious game play-style some players argue that they are being denied in Illyriad would be more easliy accomplished if people tried to execute it in a more well thought-out way, one that fits better into the Illyriad community.

What I'm suggesting is a shift in the mindset of an aggressive PvP city-builder player that allows them to thrive in Illyriad while still pursuing the not-so-warm-and-fuzzy game play they desire. Specifically:

1. Make it fun for your targets as well as your self.
2. Make your losses as glorious and entertaining as your victories.
3. Show people you aren't as aggressive in real life--unless you are! Evil Smile
4. Roleplay! Roleplay! ROLEPLAY!

The first two kind of go hand in hand. If you can find a way to make your victim enjoy the conflict too, they will be less likely to get angry and seek help. For example, say you raid a player or thieve them and get caught. Challenge them to steal it back! Demonstrate that you're not trying to endanger their Illyriad well-being, but looking for some entertainment. A major part of this is selecting targets who have a chance of fighting back; the other part is how well you communicate with those you are attacking.

Likewise, if you do get in too much trouble and are punished for it, savor the fall! View your Illy cities like sand-castles; it's as much fun to knock 'em down as to build 'em up. If you enter into aggressive PvP this way, you will be able to enjoy the outcome no matter who it favors. Maybe write a funny blog about how your helpless attempts to raid legendary cities keep ending with your kingdom in shambles. Or boast in GC about how you just got caught stealing from a member of a major alliance (for the 5th time) and have multiple sieges inbound on your capital.

I feel like number three is the most important. It's far easier to retaliate severely against a player you dislike than against one who you know to be a good person and generally helpful community member. I sincerely believe there is a potential niche in Illyriad for "troublemakers" who are actually liked for the skirmishes they bring--because their form of "trouble" does not involve attacking out of spite or pride but for fun and mischief.

Number four is simply what I believe to be an excellent strategy for carrying out to 1 through 3. Roleplaying can be an excellent "excuse" for entering into combat, makes losing battles and cities more enjoyable, and is enjoyed by Illyriad players in general.

Just a theory, one I have never tested myself, but perhaps one day...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2013 at 20:58
OP is a great example of troll post that need to stop. I am officially unofficially closing this post. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2013 at 21:07
well my bfs say i am very aggressive especially when i wear certain leathers. but all the birds come out and sing and the sun shines brightly when i walk outside. i talk american and often use slang which very few peeps  even have a clue its meaning.(dance dance, grins evil) if theirs a wod i can not speel correctly or a way to writ anthing the wrong way count me in. free spirits are rarely accepted cause we pose a threat to rule followin peeps. for instance i think the peeps that accept the current farmville play style are evil and ruinning the potential of this great game. but i amuse my self by playing the game naked and use the computer while doing my inverted gravity machine. gosh who is really the strange ones playing....so watch me, and by the way theres alot of peeps like me playing here.....where are my whips and blades...i got to have some fun!....remember this is just a game and has little correlation  to real life morals or ethics! grins exposing her fangs
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2013 at 21:37
Originally posted by Hadus Hadus wrote:



I feel like number three is the most important. It's far easier to retaliate severely against a player you dislike than against one who you know to be a good person and generally helpful community member. I sincerely believe there is a potential niche in Illyriad for "troublemakers" who are actually liked for the skirmishes they bring--because their form of "trouble" does not involve attacking out of spite or pride but for fun and mischief.




I like this. It's important not to underestimate common courtesy and the effect it can have on people. +1 for Hadus.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2013 at 00:05
Thanks Beecks!


Originally posted by gameplayer gameplayer wrote:

....remember this is just a game and has little correlation  to real life morals or ethics! grins exposing her fangs


In case anyone's wondering, that actually means: "Stop caring when I attack you and don't invest any emotion into playing this game."


Edited by Hadus - 19 Feb 2013 at 00:06
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