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SugarFree 
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 Topic: Is the war over Æsir? Surely not?
Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 14:17 |
 Aurordan wrote:
I know, right? Can you imagine how much it would suck to fight an enemy four times your size? |
blood for the blood god, Skulls for the skull throne!
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Aurordan
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Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 11:52 |
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I know, right? Can you imagine how much it would suck to fight an enemy four times your size?
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G0DsDestroyer
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Location: Ásgarð/Vanaheim
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Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 03:19 |
glorfindel wrote:
...(as yet identified) who stayed out of the fight because they "felt it was not the right time," aka, once NC, N, Skorn, and KV jumped in on TLR's side, they weren't willing to stick their necks out... |
As for sticking their necks out, both NC and KV had sent military action against us, I'm not sure about the other alliances, but those two were sticking their heads out imo. Also, Aesir did not go running to our allies for anything, not until KV joined against us, and BSH was on the verge of going against us. We did not object to NC joining, as we though that would make it more fair, but when a top ten and a top 20 are going against you, what can you do, if you aren't Crow or H? 
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glorfindel
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Joined: 02 Sep 2011
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Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 20:04 |
Rill wrote:
I challenge anyone here to name a single time I called for anyone to be swatted without mercy. . . I have no expectation that I will be universally liked or admired, but if you are going to denigrate or despise me (or others), then do so for something I (or they) actually say or do, not as some sort of symbol of something you don't like.
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Based on watching you in global chat, I think that that first sentence is true, as there is certainly no physical evidence that you were/are at the center of a plan to raze EF and TLR from the game. In fact, I've seen you say some very kind, encouraging, and magnanimous things about EF.
That being said, even if, behind what is seen in these public places (the forum, global chat) you were in fact scheming heavily and at the heart of power plays to neutralize your rivals and enemies, that wouldn't make you a "bad person" or "bad player." In fact, it may make you the opposite -- a very cunning player who would know how to work the game.
The fact is, if we are universally liked or admired in this game, we're probably not playing it to the fullest. Illyriad is a game of friends and social networking, yes, but it is also a game of conquest, politics, rivalry, and power playing. Think about in the other Aesir/TLR-related threads some of the fierce comments that Kumo made about past foes from past wars -- how reassuring to know that that measure of tension still exists!
My feeling is that we should play this game hard and complex. We should be complex characters, with various layers and levels to our personas. If this describes you, Rill, or anyone else here, then I say "bravo!"
Edited by glorfindel - 31 Jul 2012 at 20:04
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Nokigon
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Player Council - Historian
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Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 18:59 |
Firstly, you appeared to miss the bit where I call my own comment an exaggeration. Secondly, I do not expect you to fight people, Rill- indeed, many times I have seen you attempt to talk peace long past the point where most people would hit the siege button. In fact, I have experienced this very thing where I attacked and you asked me- unsuccessfully- to recall the siege. However, you do seem to have this habit of turning a neutral discussion that doesn't really affect you into one about yourself. I wasn't 'denigrating' you, if you could really call it that, I was 'denigrating' your idea that for an action to happen it must have a huge group of people supporting it before it goes ahead. Which, by the way, is far from the most decisive course of action. Aesir had no need to consult other people about their own affairs, and as far as I am aware did not call for aid. Where other people erred was to decide that this was their business, and that was why Aesir did as they did. The purpose of my post was to offer my own point of view on your thoughts. It most certainly was not intended to scorn you or turn the thread about a war into one about you. I hope this is the last post that trails off the topic of the thread.
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Rill
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Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
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Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 18:16 |
I challenge anyone here to name a single time I called for anyone to be swatted without mercy. Indeed, over multiple forum posts, in global chat, in alliance chat, in private mails and in my general actions, I call for and demonstrate restraint, mercy and a belief in redemption and transformation -- even when doing so made me a lonely voice against a large power or the majority opinion -- or, what was most difficult, my close friends or alliance mates.
I speak for what I believe; when I see something that I think is wrong, I condemn it; when I see something that I think is right, I praise it. I do not do so with perfect consistency, and perhaps sometimes I speak too quickly, too loudly or too often, but I do my best.
I have no expectation that I will be universally liked or admired, but if you are going to denigrate or despise me (or others), then do so for something I (or they) actually say or do, not as some sort of symbol of something you don't like.
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Endrok
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Joined: 12 May 2012
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 18:14 |
Wolfgangvondi wrote:
Like some old wise Orcs say.. if you want to know if you have friends.. need them! them u will see what friends you realy have. The rest is talk.
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Very true .... I friend willing to act is worth 100 willing to talk.
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Gemley
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Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 18:09 |
glorfindel wrote:
abstractdream wrote:
I think August is a bit optimistic. |
LOL -- "optimistic." Just so you know, I'm dispassionate about it either way. I'd just say "probable."
Isn't TLR located in Ursor? And isn't Ursor rich in the rare mineral stuff? If so, trade v2 could present a new conflict over turf wars that could lead to "Act 3." |
TLR will most likely have one of the largest supplies of rare minerals and so TLR's armies will be better equiped then other alliances making TLR harder to defeat. Prediction: TLR will win "Act 3."
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�I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien
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abstractdream
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Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 18:05 |
glorfindel wrote:
abstractdream wrote:
I think August is a bit optimistic. |
LOL -- "optimistic." Just so you know, I'm dispassionate about it either way. I'd just say "probable."
Isn't TLR located in Ursor? And isn't Ursor rich in the rare mineral stuff? If so, trade v2 could present a new conflict over turf wars that could lead to "Act 3." |
All true. Ander, I mean within 6 months, between now and then...sometime, just not that soon. I could be wrong. It happens daily.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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glorfindel
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Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 17:42 |
abstractdream wrote:
I think August is a bit optimistic. |
LOL -- "optimistic." Just so you know, I'm dispassionate about it either way. I'd just say "probable."
Isn't TLR located in Ursor? And isn't Ursor rich in the rare mineral stuff? If so, trade v2 could present a new conflict over turf wars that could lead to "Act 3."
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