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SugarFree 
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 Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 02:06 |
rill can act though and all, but there are forces not even her PR can influence. read H? and it's people.
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Prometheuz
Forum Warrior
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Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 01:50 |
 Rill wrote:
The key, Sisren, is the point about acting unilaterally -- people need to talk and develop consensus. For example, while I personally agreed with the point Aesir was making, I was not convinced that military intervention was the right way to make it. Others may have felt the same way. |
I am curious as to how you perceive this "consensus" of yours. What are the constituents elements? Since you have applied it to the alliances of Illyria. Which alliances are you referring to? Alternatively , perhaps you are referring to the opinons sometimes stated in GC or maybe here in the forums both if which are subject so much pnp? Surely they can hardly be a foundation for a balanced consensus ... Please enlighten me.
Edited by Prometheuz - 31 Jul 2012 at 01:53
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
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Points: 6903
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Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 22:07 |
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The key, Sisren, is the point about acting unilaterally -- people need to talk and develop consensus. For example, while I personally agreed with the point Aesir was making, I was not convinced that military intervention was the right way to make it. Others may have felt the same way.
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Sisren
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Joined: 03 Feb 2012
Location: PA, USA
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Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 21:37 |
I disagree Rill. It would be more about who is able to quickly bring a better coalition together.
TLR obviously has diplomatic relations that aren't as visible without looking further, while AEsir acted unilaterally and without such aid.
Hopefully we won't hear about the GPs for a while at least...
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
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Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 21:03 |
It seems to me that one of the major lessons to be gained from the series of conflicts is that the community is in general in favor of using words rather than armies to resolve disputes, particularly those that are about ideas.
Both TRO and Aesir used armies rather than words, and while I support Aesir in its repugnance at TLR demands, I think it is possible that words were the better response in that situation.
The question of when using armies is appropriate is a difficult one; hopefully we have learned and grown as a community since, for example, the Valar episode.
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Prometheuz
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Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 20:43 |
Quackers wrote:
Once there is real reason for TLR to be attacked you will see huge support of this from many alliances. |
This is not news to TLR. They knew about this from the earliest days of the alliance. Yet they are not the villains that others paint them to be. For many of those, who are TLR bashers really only jump on the band wagon for their own self interest. I wouldn't necessarily include Aesir in that though. Aesir have a fighting spirit and can be a tough crew. I actually believe that the two alliances have a lot more in common than most people realise. Nevertheless TLR is a hard alliance . It has to be.
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SugarFree
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Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 20:07 |
o snap out of it MD, go get some minerals, or smoke some Herbs for all i care.. but stop trying to flame Aesir. they did what they though was right to do, and they backed off cause they had no real reason to do so. on the other hand, you know that TLR is playing with fire, keeping their attitude. i would be aware to not give even the slightest reason to the illy community to wipe them off the map, cause if they would ever get said reason, you could kiss them goodbye.
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Silent/Steadfast
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Joined: 03 Jun 2011
Location: Pacific County
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Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 19:31 |
Moby Duck wrote:
What happened guys? Your war with TLR was meant to be glorious, a shining example of good versus evil! Purging Illyriad of the evil tyrant EF. You's were so passionate, I dont understand. Care to explain Taron? How about a few word's from our God of War GODsDestroyer? |
Interestingly, crusaders can have a self-preservation instinct as well. I do not attribute the backing down of Æsir to anything TLR did, but rather to the response that the community gave to an alliance attacking another, much smaller alliance. Æsir saw that they were wrong to attack TLR via the most basic form of democracy: "We have more troops than you, therefore our opinion outweighs yours" Did they really have a whole lot of choice?
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"Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM)
"SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM)
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Quackers
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Joined: 19 Nov 2011
Location: Jeff City
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Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 19:24 |
Moby Duck wrote:
Quackers wrote:
There are alot of people that wanted to side with Aesir but felt it was not the right time. Once there is real reason for TLR to be attacked you will see huge support of this from many alliances. |
Hmmmm... does this include you Quackers? |
Nope I do not want to get in the fighting. There have been some things I do not agree on but that is just my opinion. I have enough respect for Myr not to do anything to EK or TLR so I wont. But that does not mean I wont voice my opinion when I feel it should be voiced.
Edited by Quackers - 30 Jul 2012 at 19:27
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Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so you will not be dependent on anybody.
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Wolfgangvondi
Wordsmith
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Location: Orc Grand Arena
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Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 18:13 |
Like some old wise Orcs say.. if you want to know if you have friends.. need them! them u will see what friends you realy have. The rest is talk.
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