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Originally posted by Mr. Ubiquitous Feral Mr. Ubiquitous Feral wrote:

RL:   Abbreviation for Real Life, a free MMORPG/FPS that automatically logs you in when you exit all other computer games.  Unfortunately, there's a very steep learning curve, and there doesn't appear to be any respawn for dead players.

Maybe Illy is the Real World, and we play in 'RL'?


Thanks for the laugh!  Sometimes I do feel like Illyriad takes up a lot of time and energy in the real world that I could spend doing other things...but I'm having way too much fun for other thing to intrude.

On Rill's point I would agree.  It is what WE make it, not what the devs make it or any other group.  If it's to be successful I would think we would want to make it as pleasant a playground as possible.

In response to Brandmeister's thoughtful:

Illyriad is a game about empires. It might not have a developer-defined endgame, but it is still a MMORTS or "grand strategy" game.

I must agree pretty much, except the part about "a game about empires." It may be about empires if your goal is empires, but one could play in the sandbox without a desire to have an empire.  Just as you might describe a playground as "a grade school playground with swings, seesaws, four square and basketball courts, you don't therefore exclude the playing of other things like hopscotch, badminton and curling (well, maybe curling...LOL).  As Rill said, we make of it what we want, a position I think includes making empires or just hanging out typing away in the forums all day because that's what we enjoy.

The "strategy" part of it depends a lot on what you are aiming to accomplish. I can imagine a player with the goal of having a 50k city sneaking over into a corner somewhere and quietly building that one city all by himself or herself.  Or another wanting to reach the 40 city limit first.  Or another wanting to greet all the new players and make them feel at home.  Lots of strategies for doing what you want.  That's just like a playground, isn't it?

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RL:   Abbreviation for Real Life, a free MMORPG/FPS that automatically logs you in when you exit all other computer games.  Unfortunately, there's a very steep learning curve, and there doesn't appear to be any respawn for dead players.

Maybe Illy is the Real World, and we play in 'RL'?
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Illy is what we make it.  There are broad mechanics and limits on what you can do, a few things you are required to do (like have sufficient food to support your city).  Other than that, it's all up to us.
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Illyriad is a game about empires. It might not have a developer-defined endgame, but it is still a MMORTS or "grand strategy" game.
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Generally, communication has some kind purpose. If your writing an ad you are trying to persuade, if you are writing a sports column you are trying to inform, if you're writing a blog about your dog who died and that he was more of a lover than a pet, you are trying to cope.

What the f*** are trying to communicate with this drivel? You have never really stated the purpose of your windy ramblings but one could extrapolate. With this I dont know where you are going or what the point is. To me, it looks like you are running out of ways to retread the same ground.

I would like to thank GM Rikoo for reducing the length of ajs post, making it, perhaps not digestible but at least a bit more chewable.
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It does hing upon how one defines game and playground.  I'm asking what you think because, as people have noticed, if you define it as a game in the traditional sense then you will view the meta game differently than if you define it as a gaming environment, which is, I think a better definition of this type of game.

I truly appreciate JeJune's reliance upon evidence, something that is often lacking in these discussions, but as has been pointed out, there are games of competition and games of cooperation as well.  If you have an open ended game with only the barest of structures and a maximum amount of freedom to play it as you and your friends wish, is it still a game.

A reasonable example may be I invite you over for cards.  You know before you come what cards are but you don't necessarily know which of the thousands of versions of card games I am suggesting.  Even if you play poker you sometimes arrive and find that you are playing Texas Hold 'em or Draw or some other variation where the rules are different and even the procedures are different.  You don't say that poker has to be played a certain way or that even the term Poker means only a particular type of poker.  Further, if you have more than one table you may be playing different games at each table or even each hand!  Is poker a game?  If it is then the term "game" may be applied to Illy and Illy may still be a playground of sorts.

So Illy is a MMORG with all kinds of possible sub-games that can be played.  At least that's how I see it.

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Does anyone really care? This seems like just another thread for AJ to carry on his rant. First is was whether players are people, now it is if it is a game or playground. Get over it. People come to the game to get away from the issues in real life. If they wanted to be treated like real people, or play in a playground they would go out and meet real people, or go and play in a playground.
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It is a strategy game in a fantasy world. You can play it many ways and for many aims but they are not separated there is only one world.  There is no definite or absolute rules unless its written down as code or by otherwise by Illyriad games ltd.

Ps. Never heard of simulator games?


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This is a topic that will have no consensus. It hinges on how one wishes to define the word "game". Personally I define it fairly narrowly as an activity with a common set of rules where players are in direct competition and there is a definite point at which either one player wins or time runs out. In that sense Illy is not a game and calling it one does not make it so. Illy reminds me more of something like Second Life: it's an environment where people generally have to make their own entertainment.
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Well, Illyriad is a game. By definition, it is widely defined by its creators and the media as a game. A quick search in Google reveals this:



In the footer of this forum and in-game, players can access "game information" or read about the parent company, Illyriad Games Ltd. The "Rules" section of the forums is demarcated as "The Rules of the Kingdom: what you can and can't do in game and in the forums." 

Illyriad was heralded as a "...solid and deep MMO play experience." and "certainly a sweeping, epic strategy game..." at the Independent Games Festival.

Players in Illyriad are constantly and frequently confronted with the fact that it is intended to be seen as a game. Players are of course open to interpret Illyriad as anything they wish -- but the preponderance of evidence supports the notion that it is intended to be regarded as a game.

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