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    Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 09:30
Having watched a situation develop between a number of alliances from a distance so far Invictus and our brother confederates - Victrix and Absaroke would like to release the following statement in regard to our stance on the war.

We are generally a peaceful alliance and aim for balance within the continents of Illyriad. To this end we have Non-Aggression Pacts and good relations with a number of alliances who are currently at war with one another.

Rather than taking any moral stance on the war we are prepared to watch from the sidelines but offer any help we can muster in reaching a peaceful conclusion as soon as possible. There are two conditions which would cause us to become directly involved;

1. If either side turns the tide of battle significantly and reasonable peace terms are requested we would expect them to be discussed between parties concerned. We will not condone the eradication of any alliance as this goes against our philosophy of a mixed community. In the event that either side gets a significant upper hand and reasonable peace terms are refused we reserve the option of breaking up siege camps placed by the more powerful side in an attempt to restore peace. We have taken this step as there does not appear to be any final conditions of surrender or victory agreed at this point.

2. We do not believe this war should impact on ANY small players (10k or less), regardless of their affiliation, who are unable to properly defend themselves against the more powerful players currently engaged in the war. If we see this happening, we will come to the support of these smaller players by defending their cities. However, if a smaller player is actively participating in the war we will withhold support.

We would value consistent contact with the leadership of all alliances involved so we can work toward the ultimate goal of peace.

In the meantime if any small members of the warring alliances require refuge we would be happy to hold those members safe within our alliance until the war subsides.

Jasche (Foreign Minister - Invictus)


Edited by Jasche - 30 Sep 2011 at 09:46
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 09:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 12:32
I am an independent player who has followed the events and issues concerning H?, PA and latterly CHAMPS quite closely. Players will know that since the declaration of war by H? I have supported Valar

Celebcalen was formerly a member Valar but left some months ago, for no particular reason. During the time I was there I found them to be a decent bunch of people. They rarely paid attention to the personal jibes that they used to receive especially from PA and others. Instead they tended to focus more on the developmental side of the game - both the mechancs and the narrative itself. Most of them seemed to have a natural aversion to the politics (pvp) of the forum and GC which they tended to ignore. They wanted to build - and they especially wanted to build the Order of Valar. That was pretty much all they wanted.

They don't want this war but they will fight to defend their alliance and their particular style of play.   

That is why I have been so solid and vocal in my support for Valar and I have stuck to that even when I was at my most vulnerable as an independent player.

As I write this post I have incoming from Killer Poodle one of the leaders of Harmless? I have had no mails from H? as to why this might be. Although it has come the day after I said to Kumo in GC that H?'s declaration against 0-0 for trying to break H? sieges - amounted to an escalation of the war

Originally posted by Jasche Jasche wrote:


2. We do not believe this war should impact on ANY small players (10k or less), regardless of their affiliation, who are unable to properly defend themselves against the more powerful players currently engaged in the war.


War is not only hell. It is crazy. As this particular War has developed so has it's craziness. It no longer has any pretence to any moral purpose and is now starting to descend into a siege and raze frenzy irregardless of size or affliation. It has now got to the stage where I, an indpenedent player of 2 000 population, am about to be attacked or sieged by KillerPoodle who has a pop of 130 300.

I doubt whether I am the only player, under 10 000 or even 5 000 pop who has oppoesed H? who finds him/herself in this position.

I understand that VIC has a confed with Valar and I urge you to show resolve and honour it.

Edited: Typo's

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 12:37
Since when does Vic has a confederation with Valar? Please stop lying.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 12:40
Originally posted by Southern Dwarf Southern Dwarf wrote:

Since when does Vic has a confederation with Valar? Please stop lying.


My mistake. I genuinely thought that was the case . It is in fact a NAP
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 12:40
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 14:23
Originally posted by celeb celeb wrote:

Although it has come the day after I said to Kumo in GC that H?'s declaration against 0-0 for trying to break H? sieges - amounted to an escalation of the war


PoS already chose to be part of this war by sending more than 20 large attacks against H? forces from their senior members.

As of yet H? has taken no action against PoS of any kind, other than extending the 'offer of war'.

If the actions of the PoS members involved are individual actions and do not reflect the position of PoS leadership then it is PoS' leadership's responsibility to request those members involved to either move over to VALAR for the duration of the war or to cease all hostile action immediately - if PoS leadership does this H? would be happy to sign an NAP I am sure.

As always, H? does not bear any particular ill-will or grudge against PoS - it is PoS decision if they want to be in this war or not - the ball is in their court.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 14:52
Creature I'd argue that attacking a siege camp is in no way a hostile action and rather purely a defensive action however I suspect the point is probably moot.
PoS halted further action earlier today and I have asked members to send bec or myself a message if they have any current outbound movements more than a day away which we'll pass on.
Bec will issue an official statement tomorrow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 15:07
Originally posted by Celebcalen Celebcalen wrote:


As I write this post I have incoming from Killer Poodle one of the leaders of Harmless? I have had no mails from H? as to why this might be. Although it has come the day after I said to Kumo in GC that H?'s declaration against 0-0 for trying to break H? sieges - amounted to an escalation of the war
Edited: Typo's

Will KP or Createure or any big H? players explain this?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 15:10
That would be true, Erik if it were a siege camp attacking YOUR city. None of them were attacking you. You sent armies to attack our siege camps on Valar cities. Over 20 of them. That is war in  anyone's book. We sent zero attacks at you and you sent 20 at us. End of story. I'm sick of people trying to paint us as the aggressors with regards to your actions.
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