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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2012 at 17:40
Remind me never to have a war under your command Rill, or a tournament or ANYTHING if that's how you treat your armies.
 
PS: You get the Jekyll and Hyde award for the Rill and Ryelle thing.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2012 at 05:24
Originally posted by Zork2012 Zork2012 wrote:

you go to a war zone you might just get killed
 
if i saw an unfriendly army outside or around my opponents castle. i would beat feet with my fastest cav to destroy it. no time to scout.
an army that has been dodging mine is in the open. kill it. no time to scout
 
it would be assumed that the army is an enemy

That is certainly an option.  And I'm not crying foul over the attack.  I personally think it's a poor strategy to indiscriminately attack armies no matter where they are, particularly when PvP has been defined with specific limitations, but anytime one fields an army, stuff can happen.  Fortunes of war.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2012 at 05:06
you go to a war zone you might just get killed
 
if i saw an unfriendly army outside or around my opponents castle. i would beat feet with my fastest cav to destroy it. no time to scout.
an army that has been dodging mine is in the open. kill it. no time to scout
 
it would be assumed that the army is an enemy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2012 at 04:50
You are welcome to place armies around the towns of your allies at any time, subject to their consent of course (or at least I imagine you might want to get their consent, as I did with the parties involved).  

Since the only time I've ever attacked any player army is when 1) the army was sieging one of my alliance mates or 2) the army was counter-claiming on my sovereignty or 3) in a tournament or friendly competition, I can't imagine I'll have difficulty in not attacking armies you place near the cities of your friends.

Matters little to me.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2012 at 04:44
Your army was placed here http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Map/378/755 

If you wanted to know what was happening, you could have simply asked me, which I had previously invited you to do.

Instead you place your army in the hot zone knowing that multiple armies have been placed in what had been described in an email to you as a game of "whack-an-army". I note that many of the decoy armies were unscoutable as they contained defensive scouts.

We both know what you did and I believe it would be obvious to any casual onlooker. 

HOWEVER, since you believe your actions were justified,  I assume you will not complain if we place armies in similar areas and suggest you make sure you confirm the identity of such armies prior to attacking.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2012 at 01:35
Originally posted by Fromfrak Fromfrak wrote:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

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The suggestion that one army placed as an observer represents a substantial interference in anything is ludicrous.  I also note that fromfrak does not address her action in requesting a blight shield.

1. The army wasn't placed as an innocent "observer" it was placed at the request of a third party to intentionally create confusion as to the target - I have shared the written request with Ryelle, and Ryelle acknowledges receiving it.

2. A blight shield was requested because my opponent had also been receiving a blight shield, and it was not understood to be a violation of the explicit rules of the PvP. In any case, the blight shield was cancelled and Ryelle said "it would be unethical for me to be involved" - so it is just doesn't make sense that

A. Ryelle's army was placed in the location as anything other than to create confusion as to whose army was whose; AND

B. Ryelle's belief that it's unethical for Ryelle to be involved, yet Ryelle gets involved.

In any case, I believe (hope) that Ryelle is no longer involved in the matter that is really not Ryelle's concern.

See, that's where people misunderstand when they read fragments of other people's mail.

Here's the chain of events from Ryelle's perspective:

1)  I say to Juxwin "how's it going?"

2)  Juxwin says "OK, except fromfrak just creamed one of my armies, and she's complaining that I'm putting armies out around my cities to confuse this PvP thing"

3)  I say "That's most disconcerting that fromfrak would be attacking armies without scouting them.  I think I'll put an army out to see if it happens to me.  Where should I put it so as not to be in the way?"

4)  Juxwin responds with the mail you apparently received referencing where the action is taking place

5)  I send an army to check things out

My interest in this is not any PvP between you and jonazz.  My interest is in fromfrak attacking armies that are not involved in the PvP, which I verified that she was doing, and as indicated I suggested to her that she not do so again.

If I had as has been suggested been attempting to confuse things, it seems reasonable to expect that I'd send out more than one army.  A single army would not confuse even the most simple-minded.  It would only be a target if someone were indiscriminately attacking anything that popped up in an area.  Which apparently was the case.  So either you think that I think you're not very bright (which is far from the case, I have complimented you on your efforts in the past, for example in the tourney), or you are suggesting that I am not very competent, which is indeed quite possible but hopefully yet to be conclusively demonstrated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2012 at 01:19
Originally posted by Le Roux Le Roux wrote:

EF,
 
My present landscaping is just an outline so there be no future issues.

Hi Le Roux (nice to meet you). I have cancelled my sov claim as a sign of good will. Feel free to recall your 7 armies. http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Map/629/961


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2012 at 01:06
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

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The suggestion that one army placed as an observer represents a substantial interference in anything is ludicrous.  I also note that fromfrak does not address her action in requesting a blight shield.

1. The army wasn't placed as an innocent "observer" it was placed at the request of a third party to intentionally create confusion as to the target - I have shared the written request with Ryelle, and Ryelle acknowledges receiving it.

2. A blight shield was requested because my opponent had also been receiving a blight shield, and it was not understood to be a violation of the explicit rules of the PvP. In any case, the blight shield was cancelled and Ryelle said "it would be unethical for me to be involved" - so it is just doesn't make sense that

A. Ryelle's army was placed in the location as anything other than to create confusion as to whose army was whose; AND

B. Ryelle's belief that it's unethical for Ryelle to be involved, yet Ryelle gets involved.

In any case, I believe (hope) that Ryelle is no longer involved in the matter that is really not Ryelle's concern.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 23:46
EF,
 
You certainly have your issues confused. The armies near my city have utterly no relationship to any PVP you may be doing hundreds of squares away. As for them "Surrounding" TLR sov, you need to look up the definition of "surround".
 
In any event I had a lone army there before From built SOV way 5.5+ sq from her city (I presume to dissuade me from building a city there, which by the way, I never had the intention of doing).  My present landscaping is just an outline so there be no future issues.  By Fromfrak' own words, she doesn't even know I exist, and I cannot see any chance our SOV claims would ever cross. So no issue.
 
 Of course,  you have indeed stated in GC that TLR could wipe me from Illy should you so desire, so if anyone should be worried, I suppose it should be me ?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2012 at 23:23
Originally posted by Fromfrak Fromfrak wrote:

Armies were intentionally placed where they were likely to be attacked. Reminds me of people in Los Angeles that would throw themselves in front of oncoming traffic to try to collect insurance.

Ryelle was indeed willing to risk attack when she placed her army there.  The army was placed to verify whether indeed armies that did not belong to players directly involved were also subject to attack in that area.

That's why she did not retaliate in any way for the attack.  Instead, she merely noted the information and suggested that fromfrak be more careful about whose army she attacks in the future.

The suggestion that one army placed as an observer represents a substantial interference in anything is ludicrous.  I also note that fromfrak does not address her action in requesting a blight shield.
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