Illyriad UN?

France was totally  deafeated  china lost   heavy losses but they managed to push back the japanese with  american  weapons and training (communist party pushed them back) not chen kei chek

Chinese communists and Russian communists did not necessarily see each other as allies.  Centuries of distrust between the two countries as "empires" could not be changed overnight by relabeling their political systems as "communism."

John Louis wrote: It gave the UK and USA an extra democratic 'leader' to balance out the communist USSR (now Russia) and China (ratio 3:2 for democracies v communists).

Edited by Aral - 19 Feb 2014 at 23:03

Brandmeister wrote: Illyriad is a video game. Some of the adults here play to escape a world of committees and bureaucracy. As a video game, it is already an environment free of real consequences. Trying to eliminate war in a video game about empires is just silly; it would turn Illy into the most boring city builder ever. Really, what kind of sandbox would Illyriad be without the positive and negative interaction of alliances? Every building and item in this game exists for the express purpose of constructing or enhancing troops*. Confining the game's focus to hunting and tournaments would be terribly lame, the equivalent of fantasy FarmVille. I have seen very little evidence of people leaving due to the war. There have been some visible rage quits, but that happens in any competitive game. I think some people have quit because they didn't like the lunatic behavior in GC, but realistically, that is a problem with people misbehaving. Blaming that bad blood on the war is misplaced, because I think 95% of the combatants have conducted themselves in a relatively acceptable way. A UN isn't going to fix the crazy 5% who can't control themselves in civilized conversations. For the people who quit over city damage, that seems rather ridiculous given that both sides have allowed personal surrenders to avoid destruction. If you can't handle losing, and refuse to surrender, then I'd politely suggest FarmVille. Those rage quits aren't anyone's fault but the individual player who hits Abandon. * Yes, there are traders, but the only goods to trade are for building and enhancing troops. So same difference.

this is getting to be a common event....again im agreeing with Brand...even in RL the UN cant and doesn't solve all the worlds problems.

With respect, Mr Banisdead, all I am doing is trying to show how a UN in Illy might work in practice, based on real life events. I think this is in keeping with this thread.

Maybe you just disagree with what I say, fair enough, but I do not think it is pedantic in the slightest. There are some insights/views to what I am saying that others (albeit not you) may find useful/interesting.

You explain how France was a victor...well, maybe. But only because it was liberated by the Allies. They were also a useful ally to have once the UN was set up...at least for some issues. It gave the UK and USA an extra democratic 'leader' to balance out the communist USSR (now Russia) and China (ratio 3:2 for democracies v communists).

However, it may be interesting to note that the USA did not want France to remain a superpower. There were many behind-the-door dealings, typical of the counties that sought to create the UN for their own purposes. In fact, the British sunk an entire French fleet based in Morocco whilst they were on 'friendly' terms, and the USA originally intended to split the French Empire between the UK and itself. This, I think, is a warning to those who believe a UN in Illy will be a force for good. It will not be as there will always be those who seek to manipulate, and they will succeed probably more often than not.

For those who are interested, the League of Nations was a predecessor to the UN, and that was a fantastic failure as well.

We all know who won WWII, however, the political intrigues and agendas in [play have never been so widely known.

In the present state of affairs alliances in Illy are, in my view, even trying to change the history of this world by painting a very different picture to what was (at one time at least) seen as established fact.

Things change, even history and alliances. Once the war is over, what mandate will anyone have to police Illy? Just remember, the last alliance that tried to do this has now been criminalized and ganged up against by a bunch of other alliances. Alliances which were very sneaky and pretended to have good intentions and infiltrated the 'enforcers' of a good code (as seen by some at least), only to betray them the instant war was declared.

There has been espionage and sabotage of unimaginable proportions, our rl world (and Illy) is full of liars and 'turncloaks'. Just be sure these people do not end up leading whatever Illy UN you end up with (if you end up with anything at all).

I have tried to keep this respectful. Kindly afford me the same courtesy, even if you disagree with what I say, in any replies there may be.

Thank you to anyone who has taken the time to read all this - it is far longer than originally anticipated (yet I do believe valid points are made throughout for anyone and everyone to consider, even if they disagree).