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Thirion 
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 Topic: I am taking a break - Goodybe IllyriadPosted: 27 Oct 2023 at 15:25 |
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Hello Illyriad,
because of a situation in the last weeks i decided to step down as leader from ITG/SMA, leave ITG/SMA and take a break from Illyriad. I need a few days to get everything in order - after that i am gone. What does that mean? I am going to check in to my accounts from time to time. But no more new trade offers at Centrum, reading the forums/GC/PC and i am not going to participate in tournaments/player events. I am going to defend myself - but thats it. Maybe it is only a few months, a year or maybe it is permanent. I don't know yet. Eagle is an amazing leader so i am not worried about ITG and SMA. We are going to find player(s) that are going to fill in for me. ITG/SMA is an amazing community! Illyriad is amazing. But unfortunately if you let people do whatever they want to whoever they want (both in GC and ingame) it is going to end up in the gutter. Toxicity like this kills games. This game has a lot of potential. And it also has a lot of problems. The developers know about them. I was hoping for fixes for a long time - unfortunately that did not happen. In my opinion we are at a point where just content (Faction AI) is not going to fix the game and the player base. I am a competitive player. I like PvP. I do a lot of PvP myself in other areas (sports, boardgames, other PC games). But war in Illyriad is not a fair fight - especially if you are on my side. The weakest players get attacked. On my side that means a casual or a player taking a break gets attacked - who cannot defend himself. That kind of "war" in Illyriad is a game where one side has guns and the other side has nothing. Where defenseless players get shot down because someone is bored or finds it fun. But that is something that is not fun for me. At all. I love this game. And i care about the game and the players in it. That is my biggest weakness. But that is me and that is not going to change. So its time to finally leave. To be finally away from all the toxicity. I should have done it earlier in hindsight. I had a lot of fun over the years. Watching SMA run like a well-oiled machine in tournaments made me really proud. Seeing players grow, getting helped and later help in ITG made me proud. Helping and teaching players made me happy. Ranking battles with Quentin and the Max-Population push was fun. Faction Play was great! Pushing the game to the limits was fun. Teaching/helping players of all kind of players was fun. Sorry to all the players in ITG/SMA i am letting down. And to all the new players that i could have helped. I had the pleasure of meeting a lot of amazing players in the game. And i was allowed to help a lot of players. Thank you for that! Maybe i am going to make a list of players i wanted to say thanks to. I started and there are way too many. Sorry. Just know you are all appreciated! Finally free caring about this game! Goodbye, Thirion/Ellania |
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Thirion
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 15:51 |
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The reason for my decision: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/attacks-on-mamaquilla_topic11046.html#110492
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Deim
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 18:58 |
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What a Pussy!
Your quitting the game because someone launched a siege at you? Grow a backbone Thirion. The Devs created this game giving the player base the ability to grow and prosper. as you clearly have. but they also gave the playerbase the ability to siege and conquer. Im not doing anything outlandish, im just simply playing the game the way the devs intended. People get sieged Thirion. grow up and stop your whining.
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BrianN
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 19:43 |
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How about a more dignified rebuttal? Disclaimer: I know nothing about the example that is 'making' you quit. Heck, I may even have been open to lending military might to your side in this (if i could, its too far away)...im speaking of generalities. I hope you dont leave Thirion...we need all of the players we can but especially the ones like you. I know we've had long discussions/arguments, but youve also seen me defend you (like when people gave you crap about "manipulating" the markets) so I hope you take this to heart. You say you love PvP but "On my side that means a casual or a player taking a break gets attacked - who cannot defend himself.". Im not going to comment on the example you cited, but in general this is a very limited definition of PvP. If people never attacked a "casual" player, then noone would ever be attacked. Anyone can claim they are "casual" if they know they are going to lose. The fact is that it takes so long to build anything of note in illy that the cost of losing is too high. Anyone can squeal they are casual, and at that point are the attackers supposed to just scrap all the work they put into attacking the other players? A good example right now would be dorcish...is he immune from any military attacks? He 'cannot defend himself'...so he can do whatever he wants without in game repercussions? The other thing was players "taking a break". Again, can be a good thing, but people can also abuse that defense. This is what keeps multis and permasats around. You can have a known permasat but attack them and "they are just taking a break". I know there are other issues, but in our conversations you would also say that something I did effected others. Yes, I know that, this is a sandbox game. Everything everyone does effects others. You have an outsized effect on others...when you decide to start or stop selling pres, or to buy or sell items, you are having a huge effect on others. What happens to the newbie who has been saving up for months to get some prestige, saving the millions of gold, and just when he has enough, you decide to stop selling it? Its devastating to the player, they may even quit. OH MY YOU MADE SOMEONE QUIT!!! We're giants in the playground, Thirion, even with the best of intentions, you are going to squash some ants. Its perfectly reasonable for you to stop or start selling or buying stuff, you have put through the effort to be the top economic force in the game. The game is set up so you are able to use the power you have gained...just like the game is set up for military players to use it. Again, im not commenting on this particular example, but others have put in the effort to be a military force. In any case, Illyriad is so horribly skewed to the defensive players that PvP has atrophied to the point of near death in Illy. You can certainly defeat that siege Thirion...military is just as much a part of the game as economic. Rumor was you were just the other month trying to use your economic might to set up a military action versus me and my clan...and thats perfectly within your rights. It seems you want to be able to dictate when and when not PvP is 'legitimate'. I dont see EVERYTHING that happens in Illy (certainly not down in the BL), but in the five years ive been here, other than the RE war I havent seen a protracted war in Illy...and the game and community have suffered because of that.
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Thirion
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 07:17 |
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For me this post is about me leaving. You might disagree with my reasons - that is fine. But that does not change my situation.
I never said that and it was never my goal. In my time here i had one major argument: War players attacking non-war players is horrible for the game. War players do not get a real fight and a real war and thus it is in my opinion and experience not as fullfilling and fun as a real war (side note: I talk to quite a few players in all alliances - including war alliances). And non-war players just get frustrated and quit. So essentially both sides lose. Looking at the last years in Illyriad you can clearly see that. The Iron vs RE war got players on both sides motivated and have fun. The Ascn vs FALLN/TCol and VTX vs TCol/Horde war just killed both sides.
I have a bigger backbone then you ever did. I went up against most war players by stating my opinion - including Grom/Stuk. The only thing you do is attack peaceful and defenseless players. I went up against players at or above my weight class. You on the other hand just attack defenseless players already down. I feel sorry for you that this seems to be fun for you. This is going to be my last post about this topic. As i said, this post is about me leaving. A lot of players have left the game already because of my reasons. I am just the next one. There is no point arguing about them. People are and feel different. Either accept that or be fine with "killing/burning down the game".
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Sif
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 12:31 |
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Sad to hear that Thirion its been a pleasure meeting you here , even if i have a different view about the game ... your view has always good setted . I did enjoy our talks and argument s about the game , and about building planing at my start of the game ... I also thanks you for help me at my starting with res bombs ... I could have done it and myself...but thank you for helping me ...
Unfortunately it have pass from my mind also step back ...its the stage of the game that desipoint me ... I hope situation change and motivate you come back and compete.
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Thirion
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 21:06 |
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Update: Brian, Rue and Lone Wolf convinced me to stay and solve the issue with ingame mechanics. The Ork'Shire Ripper / Deim agreed to a 1v1 against Thirion/Ellania (me). More details in another forums post.
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Deim
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 22:11 |
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no. i agreed to a fight between Ripper and Thirion.
and even that puts me at a huge disadvantage. what your 60 towns to my 15. that and the fact i have been at war now for a year and suffered millions of losses at the hands of some very determined VTX players. yeah that's very brave of you thirion. you just live in your own little deluded bubble. you think your a tough guy but you arent. you have never even fought a war before. go get some therapy.
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Thirion
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 22:38 |
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I made a new forums post about the 1v1. I am going to continue the discussion there: |
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Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 01:40 |
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Thirion, I know I gave you a hard time about the markets. But I never wanted you to quit. I am glad to see you are sticking around. I will behave in the future. :)
If you need anything please dont hesitate to ask, I will let Duran know what you need. :) Cheers Fi
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