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Poll Question: Hide and Close (for a period) Centrum and Hope Ridge ?
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Originally posted by Sif Sif wrote:

 did the comunity eventually manage to make a centume at BL ?
Yes - Hope Ridge. ===>>> so No the community did not manage to do it ...the devs do it..

Only the devs can alter the game code so of course the devs did it but only after the players had demonstrated that it was both a viable trade center in BL and that the vast majority of them wanted it.

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Originally posted by Sif Sif wrote:

No true Scotsman

Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
Person B: "But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge."
Person A: "But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

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SIF: Hi ,I believe that HAVING visable 2 central HUBS is bad for the  trading experience of the game having visible 2 central hubs make thing much easier for everyone but is it any realistic?, does not it cut from the fun of the trading? , what is a trader at illyriad ?
eowan : people do trade
SIF: PRODUCER => TRADER => CUSTOMER / is there many traders?
eowan : i was trading 
SIF: i agree you did 

who is A and who B ?

My scotsman post was in direct response to this:
I used to craft some items and sell them both direct and in hubs. Was I a trader?'===>>> i count this as a crafting action

People can be many things, including crafter and trader simultaneously. 



Edited by eowan the short - 23 Mar 2022 at 14:30
This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some person started it, not knowing what it was, and we'll continue posting on it forever just because...
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PRODUCER ( making money by producing ) =>
TRADER ( making money by conecting the producer with the customer)  =>
CUSTOMER ( pay money to the trader NOT because he is patient BUT because it does not worth to trasport themself the goods OR don t even know who the producer is OR where the producer is OR how much money they whould save if they do it direcly cause they dont even know the price the producer sells)
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 did the comunity eventually manage to make a centume at BL ?
Yes - Hope Ridge. ===>>> so No the community did not manage to do it ...the devs do it..
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Originally posted by Sif Sif wrote:

PRODUCER => TRADER => CUSTOMER


Originally posted by Sif Sif wrote:

being a middle man does not make you a trader


So what is it now? You do understand that you contradict yourself?

A "Flipper" buys stuff from a producer and sells it to customers. But according to you he is not a real trader. Similar with the High quantity trader.

On the other hand "Investors" and "Movers" do not neccessarily buy from producer or sell to customers. But according to you they are traders.

There are a lot of different kinds of traders - but they are traders. All of them are needed and can make profit.
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Originally posted by Sif Sif wrote:

also regarding the idea that the community will make its own centerum i would like to tell me when broken land realise and did the comunity eventually manage to make a centume at BL ?


Yes - Hope Ridge. It is visible to every capital city the same as Centrum. There was a great deal of discussion about it in both GC and the forums with the devs eventually taking a look at the trading figures before deciding that it would be put on the same visibility footing as Centrum. I can't remember exactly when this happened but when I last played it was the first page on the Herald so not that long ago in Illy timescales.

@Eowan - I thought that 'No true Scotsman' post was a dig at me until I read it (by the way, I have salt in my porridge).

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No true Scotsman

Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
Person B: "But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge."
Person A: "But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

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SIF: Hi ,I believe that HAVING visable 2 central HUBS is bad for the  trading experience of the game having visible 2 central hubs make thing much easier for everyone but is it any realistic?, does not it cut from the fun of the trading? , what is a trader at illyriad ?
eowan : people do trade
SIF: PRODUCER => TRADER => CUSTOMER / is there many traders?
eowan : i was trading 
SIF: i agree you did 

who is A and who B ?
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I used to craft some items and sell them both direct and in hubs. Was I a trader?'===>>> i count this as a crafting action

Any sort of attempt to ban chatting about trade in GC would require one of the dev team to be constantly monitoring GC===>>> agree but as i said this ( GC trade )  would cut trading would not eliminate it


I believe the original idea behind Centrum being visible to every capital city was to allow new players to fairly easily get an introduction to the trading methods available in Illy.===>>> I also agree that at the begining when there was really luck of potential traders not having centrum whould damage the game ...but.... this time has pass....

also regarding the idea that the community will make its own centerum i would like to tell me when broken land realise and did the comunity eventually manage to make a centume at BL ?
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I used to craft some items and sell them both direct and in hubs. Was I a trader? To an extent yes but it formed a very small part of my Illy play as I wasn't that interested in it. There are tools available to allow poeple to track prices in any hub that is visible to them - ask 4WT about the one I made for them.

Any sort of attempt to ban chatting about trade in GC would require one of the dev team to be constantly monitoring GC. This is not the sort of thing that could be easily done by a bot such as the one that checks for banned words. The dev team should as much as possible be allowed to concentrate on the coding and general upkeep of the game.

I believe the original idea behind Centrum being visible to every capital city was to allow new players to fairly easily get an introduction to the trading methods available in Illy. In my opinion it does this fairly well and removing the visibility of it and the BL alternative would be a very bad idea.

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