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Sif 
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 Posted: 22 Mar 2022 at 20:18 |
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Ultimately there just wasn't enough traffic (or profit) outside of Centrum to be worth the time and effort ===>>>> there is NO way to have a traders profite if the game is set by default to everyone is a trader whithout been a trader
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Sif
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Posted: 22 Mar 2022 at 20:14 |
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No. Convenience and quantity is a lot more important than profit per
item for most traders.===>>>> agree cause there is no way to make
profit since everyone knows the "corect" prices So essentially you want to
make the rich even richer and be able to "exploit" smaller players
even more?==è>>>> i tottaly do NOT care who will make profite and who will
be exploited by this change I care ONLY to engage an aspect of the game which
is trading
The trade (even at Centrum)
already has decent profit ranges.=è>>>> there is no such a think as decent in profit Tens (or someone else) adding
an "Average hub price" tool in DurcTools wouldn't be an insane effort
(he did similar things already).=è>>> I hope this would not be allowed to |
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Asvenger
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Posted: 22 Mar 2022 at 16:28 |
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Side note: chasing a discovery/mystery, I tested if each of one's towns has a trader at the same spot, different spots, etc. No result yet. I'm now up to around 15 traders - the next one requires a daunting 610 barrels of wine. I'm open to suggestions on deploying traders to unlock a discovery/mystery. Thanks,
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Asvenger
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Posted: 22 Mar 2022 at 16:22 |
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Sif - thanks for the creative thinking. I started as a trader in the basic commodities and moved up to exotics (kudos to Thirion for making the exotics market). I've supported several efforts to create Broken Lands hubs by moving traders and goods to energize buying and selling. Ultimately there just wasn't enough traffic (or profit) outside of Centrum to be worth the time and effort monitoring multiple trade spots and shipping goods around. So currently I trade at Centrum and make a lot of goods available to neighbors at my local Hub. I voted for status quo.
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Thirion
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Posted: 22 Mar 2022 at 15:24 |
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No. Convenience and quantity is a lot more important than profit per item for most traders. At least thats my experience interacting with traders in Illyriad. There are traders that specialize on big quantity trades. If i trade double the amount of items in just one hub for half the profit then thats worth it for me - as thats a lot less work.
No. Alliance hubs are used for basic/advanced resources mostly. There would be another hub for rare resources.
Profit does not really solve the problem of lack of supply. There are a lot of rare animal parts that go for 1+m per item - still the supply is quite low.
So essentially you want to make the rich even richer and be able to "exploit" smaller players even more? The trade (even at Centrum) already has decent profit ranges.
Real life is a lot more complex and thus harder. In Illyriad you do not really have worker and transport cost - thus it is easy. Tens (or someone else) adding an "Average hub price" tool in DurcTools wouldn't be an insane effort (he did similar things already).
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Sif
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Posted: 22 Mar 2022 at 14:14 |
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Then the community would find a hub that does essentially the same as Centrum.===>>> i don t think they will cause many trader will want to take advantage of the increased prices since there will not be by default the knowlege of the price
Bigger alliances have dedicated trade hubs - the same would happen with all of Illyriad. Why? Because its easier, convenient and efficient.====>>>>so there will not be one centrum there will be many so thats fine for me. these alliances will be forced to learn the prices or they will pay the as everybody. They won't. I think you are not getting the problem. There are a lot of rare resources in Illyriad with maybe 5 people or less supplying it. And maybe 5 people buying them. Splitting it up all over Illyriad does not work.====>>>>i strongly believe that profit fix almost everithing, so the inrcease of the price will bring the rare resources closer , now you dont have to play any trade if you have these resources you just sell them in the centrume , so you are a trader even if in real you are a miner. I was not talking about expensive stuff but rare/specialized stuff. It doesn't make sense to sell raw diamonds at the local farmer market where nobody is going to buy it.===>>> exacly so you will be forced to sell them at a very lower price to someone that pays 30+ traders and have the information where they want these diamonds We are in a modern age now. Its easy to get information. With or without Centrum.===>>>> the game is at medevial era (i hope i don t miss any secrete reaserch i have to do from the begining .LOL.) . I DISAGREE even now with the internet the producer of the prodacts don t want to let you know the average price of what they sells you, they are forced by some platforms doing that and having them all together but and in that case you dont know how the prodact that have been made in America or China worth when you buy it . and even if you did know you could not buy it directly cause transportation cost so you are forced to buy local and give some profit to someone else that don t produce the prodact just sell it which is a trader job. |
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Thirion
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Posted: 22 Mar 2022 at 13:46 |
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Then the community would find a hub that does essentially the same as Centrum. Bigger alliances have dedicated trade hubs - the same would happen with all of Illyriad. Why? Because its easier, convenient and efficient.
They won't. I think you are not getting the problem. There are a lot of rare resources in Illyriad with maybe 5 people or less supplying it. And maybe 5 people buying them. Splitting it up all over Illyriad does not work.
I was not talking about expensive stuff but rare/specialized stuff. It doesn't make sense to sell raw diamonds at the local farmer market where nobody is going to buy it.
We are in a modern age now. Its easy to get information. With or without Centrum.
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Sif
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1. We are in a game the "real life" argument doesn't make any sense ... Some example? A town of 30k people with 60k troops ?!? That argument has no value===> well and in real life you need troops so it has value for me
2. Especially with the factions on the horizon, and the fact that some are hostile, I wouldn't want a new player to not have access to a viable hub because of that.===>>> tottaly agree with you on that but what i suggest dont affect that ... as i say the all player must have access to the closer to their capital HUB 3. Whatever you do if someone is interested in trading the first answer in gc is gonna be Centrum ... And you can't fight that.===>>>> for now i agree but what would be your anscer if there was not centrum what would be the centrum in that case / you would not know for sure exept if you had 150 traders . So if you want your close by bub to be active, put some buying order (not selling) with higher price than centrum/hope ridge, that way you might advertise and get some more people active there.====>>> why to spend my money on this??? whats the profit for me ?? The illy trader has in my view a really short term eye on profit and after investing 500millions in buying orders in hope ridge, when they started, I really saw that most "traders" just put selling orders there and didn't try to make it more active. In the end all my business is done in centrum====>>>> i could not be more AGREE with that .... thats what i trying to say .. you wanted to be a trader and you could not since everyone know the prices at the certum
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Sif
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Posted: 22 Mar 2022 at 13:11 |
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Centrum has most trades but the profit is low. Smaller hubs on the other hand usually have better offers - thus a good trader is doing the same. ===>>>> this is not a full trader is a semi trader since he know without any skill where are the cheaper stafs to buy and the rare exmple that someone is buying from other hubs exept the centrum is because the prices of centrume are known to everyone by default since centrum is visable so the buier know the prices are close to cheap.
I have 5-6 traders in the hubs around me and trade there====>>> could you be a competitive trader with only 5-6 traders if the stafs from centrum was spread at hubs??? In a game with rare and limited resources it doesn't make sense for those trades to do outside of Centrum.===>>> indeed since there is centrum , i say what if there was not As it is in real life - you are not going to your small local market to buy some e.g. raw diamonds or raw oil. Instead for those rare resources you go to a central market - as there are more potential buyers and thus people that might want to buy your rare resource. Thus Centrum (or some other hub) is always going to be the main point of trade. ===>>>> yes but to know where is the centrum and if there is only one or two is matter of a skilled trader if it was not set by default and known to everybody where it is. Or they want to craft some gear but cannot buy the resources needed for that. Crafting after all has quite some profit margin (and as an example i am bought some expensive crafts from smaller players).===>>>> no they will be able to find to their local hub what they need to be able to craft much closer to them comper to now since a trader will want to take advantage of them since they will not be able to see the fixed price at the centrum As i mentioned above - it depends on the resource. As in real life it doesn't make sense to sell some rare stuff in your local hub. But it makes sense to sell them in Centrum. ====>>> in real life if you are not a real trader you buy expensive stuffs from the local HUB if you are a real trader you know or you think you know where the cheap stuffs are ( where is the centrum ) The main reason why some smaller hubs are dead is because we don't have enough players - especially in some of the BL areas.====>>>> no its because you know the prices at the central market so you want to buy close to them and the person want to sell knows that you know the prices at centume and that can not take advantage of you and selling increasing price so he dont sell at local As and in real life of the medevial era the trader was not a transporter but take advantage of the fact that you don t know how much he buy what he sell s you |
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Thirion
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Posted: 22 Mar 2022 at 12:31 |
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Centrum has most trades but the profit is low. Smaller hubs on the other hand usually have better offers - thus a good trader is doing the same.
Depending on the hub there is already quite a bit of trade going on on the smaller hubs - usually basic/advanced resources. Depending the the area some Players/alliances have a lot of storage in some hubs. I have 5-6 traders in the hubs around me and trade there. In a game with rare and limited resources it doesn't make sense for those trades to do outside of Centrum. As it is in real life - you are not going to your small local market to buy some e.g. raw diamonds or raw oil. Instead for those rare resources you go to a central market - as there are more potential buyers and thus people that might want to buy your rare resource. Thus Centrum (or some other hub) is always going to be the main point of trade.
Or they want to craft some gear but cannot buy the resources needed for that. Crafting after all has quite some profit margin (and as an example i am bought some expensive crafts from smaller players).
As i mentioned above - it depends on the resource. As in real life it doesn't make sense to sell some rare stuff in your local hub. But it makes sense to sell them in Centrum. On the other hand it makes sense so buy/sell basic/advanced resources at your local hub. And not at Centrum - as the distance is way to far away. The main reason why some smaller hubs are dead is because we don't have enough players - especially in some of the BL areas. But your suggestion isn't going to fix/improve that. On the contrary - it makes it worse.
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