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Poll Question: Hide and Close (for a period) Centrum and Hope Ridge ?
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PRODUCER => TRADER => COSTUMER

  

when the producer sell direct to the costumer there is no trader (Producer => Costumer)

, so it not about more trading is about engage trading.

I understand that GC will cut some of that so I would like not allowed at GC speaking about prices so if you want to advertise your products to be forced to pay more in traders upkeep.

All the deals are made by other ways via GC  are been made by the default knowledge of the prices so changing that will change and the out HUB trade

 

As I said I really don’t care who get richer and who get poorer . I also don t care if it would make the game more complex (I want to be easier but by cutting micromanagement no by cutting motivation to interact ) . what I care is an aspect that will motivate you to interact trying to became richer or less poor .

 

I totally disagree to don’t add any aspect in the game because some or all established player will lose their effort ( the DEVS could neglect the lost if wanted to ex. free speeding vans for a week )

 

 

About the realistic argument if you believe that the god of Illyria after the  ddisappearance of the bloody  cast of warriors from the world decide to get rid and the greedy and insatiable cast of the traders
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Originally posted by Sif Sif wrote:

Closing centrum even temporarily would be a bad idea; people have trillions of resources stored there. To close centrum you'd either have to bar access to said trillion resources, or teleport it.... somewhere? Not in to towns, as they'd overflow... another hub.... at which point I guess that hub becomes the de facto centrum. Either choice is bad.===>>>
teleporting to the closer to the capital hub or something like that

Without closing centrum, hiding centrum would not help as there's enough force behind centrum to sustain it as the de facto choice. ===>>> tottaly agree

but that ship has sailed. ===>>> as long as the captein is in deck there is time to change the ship line



And what if said hub is hostile to said player? What if their closest hub is centrum? What if their trader town is not their capital and so a different hub is preferential? What stops centrum from returning to the de facto place once it re-opens? For that matter, how long are you closing it for?

You introduce a lot of short term pain and complexity, not to mention dev-time, in exchange for long term fairly minimal benefit as people will coordinate; even with centrum in existence, pushes for BL equivalents have taken place with varying degrees of success. End result is it becomes easier to scam newbs in to accepting unfair prices just because they haven't been brought up to speed yet, no one else is affected.

A significant portion of trading is done via GC or just trade deals anyway; if I'm buying bulk equipment, trade hubs are usually the last place I look. Taxes get avoided like the plague here.

In terms of the realism argument I've seen you make, the setting is fantasy. There are orcs and elves and dwarves. We have magic. Literal demons stalk the land, not to mention ogres and trolls and giant plant-heart that eats people and spits out fungus monsters. Soldiers aren't people; they count nothing towards population, food consumption and pay no taxes. Please explain why a simple messaging magic is beyond the scope of possibility in Illyria.

Finally, read the room. People campaigned for years to get a BL centrum. I saw pushes on Windmire back 2016 spearheaded by Lord Kalobas arguing for a centrum of the south. Hope ridge became the successful one but this was not some spontaneous movement. The majority of players want centrum/hope ridge to exist, what do the devs gain by taking away what they only recently have given?


Edited by eowan the short - 23 Mar 2022 at 01:15
This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some person started it, not knowing what it was, and we'll continue posting on it forever just because...
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I can understand the appeal for some people that want to be more involved in the trading, but the game not been set like this. A tool to track the prices in different hubs, is already around in some trading alliances (manually updated, track couple of 100 items prices in the hub they are interested in...). And just the fact that gc exists gonna kill most of your incentive. In a couple of second people can figure out the avg prices. As thirion explained before, we got the communication tools, you want to remove that too?
 
And no I don't want my goods that are in centrum to be in a closer hub, I spent time to move that there for that reason.

In a sand box like illyriad, with the functionalities that been build, in my opinion your idea will just kill the trading in hub even more, and reinforce the central place of centrum, or worth for you would have a spreadsheet public with the pricing avg/current in a bunch of hub. For the basic stuff I use centrum for the fun part it's often off market. 

A trader is and has always been a middle man, and depending on places mostly moving stuff from point a to b, where then the local "trusted" distribution centers took over. Importance of trust! From that trust (and some time loss of) some tools been implemented, msrp, Price control etc. But thats a total different game you are designing here.

As mentioned already to you, that would mostly make the rich richer and that's about it.

we can do harvesting/hunting/tourney/trading on same account in illy, you want to restrict that too?
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things might get more interesting when factions become active. if an alliance accidentally becomes negative in the standings with centrum and higher taxes and reaches -35 things might get very interesting.  It might cause a diversification of hubs.====>>>>i can hope on that a bit but if they see the centrum prices the main Problem still remain imo
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things might get more interesting when factions become active. if an alliance accidentally becomes negative in the standings with centrum and higher taxes and reaches -35 things might get very interesting.  It might cause a diversification of hubs.
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Closing centrum even temporarily would be a bad idea; people have trillions of resources stored there. To close centrum you'd either have to bar access to said trillion resources, or teleport it.... somewhere? Not in to towns, as they'd overflow... another hub.... at which point I guess that hub becomes the de facto centrum. Either choice is bad.===>>>
teleporting to the closer to the capital hub or something like that

Without closing centrum, hiding centrum would not help as there's enough force behind centrum to sustain it as the de facto choice. ===>>> tottaly agree

but that ship has sailed. ===>>> as long as the captein is in deck there is time to change the ship line
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Closing centrum even temporarily would be a bad idea; people have trillions of resources stored there. To close centrum you'd either have to bar access to said trillion resources, or teleport it.... somewhere? Not in to towns, as they'd overflow... another hub.... at which point I guess that hub becomes the de facto centrum. Either choice is bad.

Without closing centrum, hiding centrum would not help as there's enough force behind centrum to sustain it as the de facto choice. 

It potentially would be an interesting and fun idea if the game was implemented like that, but that ship has sailed. 
This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some person started it, not knowing what it was, and we'll continue posting on it forever just because...
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That's still quite a bit of profit. In addition there are some rare resources where the profit is a lot higher. And with good connections the profit can improve too.===>>>>this is not cause trading skills just patient skills . There is no trading its just crafting and sell it.
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Originally posted by Sif Sif wrote:

agree cause there is no way to make profit since everyone knows the "corect" prices

i tottaly do NOT care who will make profite and who will be exploited by this change I care ONLY to engage an aspect of the game which is trading  

there is no such a think as decent in profit



Do the math.

Saddles: Highest buy offer 675 gold. Lowest sell offer: 999 gold (or 610 and 1,068 for high quantity)
Hides: 3,510 and 4,800
Swords: 650 and 824

That's still quite a bit of profit. In addition there are some rare resources where the profit is a lot higher. And with good connections the profit can improve too.
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I'm open to suggestions on deploying traders to unlock a discovery/mystery.===>>> agree but thats an other story 
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