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Poll Question: Hide and Close (for a period) Centrum and Hope Ridge ?
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No. What about all the comparison sites that tell you what trader (shop) sells what for what price? Or platforms (eBay, Amazon Warehouse, ...) that allow traders to trade? Because that is essentially what Hubs are.===>>>> imagine one site( from the above ) that have all the people of the world have access by deafault when opening their phones and not online buys was forbiten .......... you think that if this was aplly whould any of the producer need someone in the middle bettowen him and the costumer ????
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Exactly, so monetary profit is not necessary. 

Therefore, the more generic meaning of profit applies
'Advantage; benefit'

You yourself give a non-material thing that might be traded; advice from an expert.

Therefore, I see no reason why trading score cannot be viewed as the profit of trading and so Thirion is a trader, as is anyone who buys/sells stuff.
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Neat stories, all are traders. ====>>>> hahahahahhahahahhahahahaha


You can be a trader without money; what of bartering? Monetary profit is not the sole motive of a trader. I've even used a bartering system in illy; I bought prestige with gold, sold the prestige for cows, and sold the cows for gold at one point.====>>>>>
 I  have 100 cows , 
sell 100 cows for 200 shords ( to someone that can not see the centrum prices so he does not know that 1 cow cost = 3,5635485486315984635 shords ) , 
sell 200 shords  for 300 minerals 
sell 300 minerals for 1 city  
sell 1 city for   1500 spears
sell 1500 spears for 2 advises from an expert
sell 2 advises  for 2000 bows 
sell 2000 bows for 150 cows 

so i have make traders profit 50 cows ..without using money 
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Originally posted by Sif Sif wrote:

But that is the same in real life too? For almost all of the products you can easily find their price and where to find them. ==== >>> I am sure you don’t without a trader ( retailer store or online shop ) …


No. What about all the comparison sites that tell you what trader (shop) sells what for what price? Or platforms (eBay, Amazon Warehouse, ...) that allow traders to trade? Because that is essentially what Hubs are.

On both examples above you have an easy access to see the "real" price of the product.
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So you're saying all teachers seek to profit from teaching? Are we ignoring volunteers?

If I were to get trained as a teacher, fly out to an LEDC and volunteer at a school, would I be any less of a teacher?

Neat stories, all are traders. 

You can be a trader without money; what of bartering? Monetary profit is not the sole motive of a trader. I've even used a bartering system in illy; I bought prestige with gold, sold the prestige for cows, and sold the cows for gold at one point.


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But that is the same in real life too? For almost all of the products you can easily find their price and where to find them. ==== >>> I am sure you don’t without a trader ( retailer store or online shop ) … what happen is that some producers want to take themselves traders profit so they sell their own products directly

 

 

In my opinion you should not use a real life definition and use it exactly like that for a game with different circumstances. As an example: In real life it doesn't really make sense to trade for ranking points.=== >>> as I said above I am not saying there can not be make use of the trade mechanic of the game to have fun or to be challenging through this …. What I am saying is that that trade mechanic can not be used by most for play as a trader .

 

In real life monetary profit might (or  might not - i do not really care tbh) the only profit - in Illyriad there are a lot of different profits. ==== >>> agree

 

A teacher is one who teaches==== >>> agree but by selling  HIS teaching leason at the centrume  does that make him a TRADER ?

A researcher is one who researches==== >>>  agree but by selling  HIS discoveries at the centrume   does that make him a TRADER

A farmer is one who farms. ==== >>> agree but by selling  HIS FOOD at the centrume  does that make him a TRADER ?

A trader is one who trades. ==== >>> …. all the above attempting  to make profit thru it

 

 

Two  stories

Story 1)

Player A try to be competitive at the score of Illyria to do so  he buy and sell in the CENTRUM attempting to  when he sell to take back the money he spend to buy and the taxes

Story 2)

Player B has find a Player C  that his PC has a bug and can not see the Centrum so he sell what he produce at his local HUB /

 player B as he is greedy grab s the opportunity and place buy orders at this HUB at a lower price compare to  the centrum /

player C sells his products and he is happy cause there was no way to sell the other way /. Player B moves these products to the centrum and sell them attempting to make profit .
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A teacher is one who teaches
A researcher is one who researches
A farmer is one who farms.
A trader is one who trades.

Anyone who participates in the markets of illy, be it the formal markets in hubs or the informal markets in GC, is a trader to one degree or another.

Trader is not a binary off or on, it is a spectrum. On one end, you have the non-traders who never trade with anyone else. On the other end, you have the impossibly pure trader, whose sole town contains nothing but a marketplace, a merchant's guild, and a trade office. Almost everyone falls somewhere in between.

How they trade is irrelevant. What drives them to trade is irrelevant. What the result of their trading is is irrelevant. All that matters is that they take their place within the cogs and wheels of illy's economic system.
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Originally posted by Sif Sif wrote:

After re-reading the definition i think you are missing an important factor Sif. A merchant attempts to make a profit.===è>> agree on that you don’t have to make profit you have just  to attempt to do it …… but why to attempt to make something that is almost impossible since the other part of how needs the goods know exactly how much it cost and where to find them ( the only reason for the 99% traders  is impatient profit )


But that is the same in real life too? For almost all of the products you can easily find their price and where to find them.


Originally posted by Sif Sif wrote:

Why does it matter if he makes a profit? Your definition of merchant makes no mention of profit.=è>>> It does /// Wikipedia == Merchant, retailer or one who attempts to generally buy wholesale and sell later at a PROFIT === >>>

you think Wikipedia refes to other kind of profit and not monetary ?



In my opinion you should not use a real life definition and use it exactly like that for a game with different circumstances. As an example: In real life it doesn't really make sense to trade for ranking points.

In real life monetary profit might (or might not - i do not really care tbh) the only profit - in Illyriad there are a lot of different profits.
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You missed out replying to a part of my post, so I will repost it:


I believe it is possible that the profit referred to solely in the wholesaler section is not always a monetary profit. After all, what about traders who use a bartering based system rather than a monetary one?

Also, why do you think your definition of trader is superior to the one I originally stated?

trader
/ˈtreɪdə/
noun
  1. a person who buys and sells goods, currency, or shares.
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Merchant and retailer are both separate from the wholesaler which is the only one with a reference to profit.====>>>> you are  correct here.....BUT do you have a RL exemple of what wikipedia would refer to a merchant motivation????
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