Havoc v. ~K~T~ Conditions and Rules of Engagement

SunStorm wrote: StJude wrote: I don't believe this last response, i(more a "threat") was warranted. One thing I have noticed about the world of Illyriad, a lot of "larger" players like to wield their considerable population sizes whenever they feel slighted. Again, I personally don't see "honor" in that, but hey, it is a game, and like all games will be what the players and community make of it. I have no considerable population to speak of...  I am only 1 city strong, and the rest are smaller than your cities...  I said nothing of attacking or smiting you with righteous vengeance - My threat was only to join Havoc, nothing more. StJude wrote: While I personally can't see how that is all that offensive (stupid maybe, but not offensive),  if it offends you, seriously, my apologies. It wasn't meant to offend, it was meant for humor. I could see that you were joking the first time - but the second comment was the more offensive...

You have a pop size of close to 9000 to my 1.5. In this game, that is considerable. I am now confused, what would your intention be to join Havoc other than to engage in hostilities? I just can't see any other reason a player would open their sentence with "You had better cool it..." and ending with "...just to spite you". All that does not imply you would be joining Havoc for reasons other than attacking. Show me where I am wrong here and I will gladly concede the point.

If you could see I was joking the first time, then by what line of logic did you use to deduce I was being insulting the second? Why would you not assume I was continuing in that vein? It doesn't make sense. So, what it seems like here, is that you are simply looking for a.) some amusement (I am being reverse trolled? or b.) an actual fight for whatever reasons you yourself have. or c.) an excuse to join in the fun by joining up with Havoc. Heck, if that is your reasoning, stop playing around and just go do it.


Edited by StJude - 14 Jun 2011 at 20:06

SunStorm wrote: StJude wrote: SunStorm wrote: StJude wrote: "Sunstorm of the swollen nipples" Does anyone else find this offensive?  (o.0)  or maybe its just me.... Flippin' sissy. StJude - you had better cool it...  I have half a mind to join Havoc just to spite you....

Hmmm, at first I thought your post was a little tongue in cheek. So my reply was also meant as such.

I can see now though, that your objection is not to your name being used, but to the title appended to it? While I personally can't see how that is all that offensive (stupid maybe, but not offensive),  if it offends you, seriously, my apologies. It wasn't meant to offend, it was meant for humor.

However, I don't believe this last response, i(more a "threat") was warranted.

One thing I have noticed about the world of Illyriad, a lot of "larger" players like to wield their considerable population sizes whenever they feel slighted. Again, I personally don't see "honor" in that, but hey, it is a game, and like all games will be what the players and community make of it.


Edited by StJude - 14 Jun 2011 at 19:33

StJude wrote: SunStorm wrote: StJude wrote: "Sunstorm of the swollen nipples" Does anyone else find this offensive?  (o.0)  or maybe its just me.... Flippin' sissy.

StJude - you had better cool it...  I have half a mind to join Havoc just to spite you....

Edited by SunStorm - 14 Jun 2011 at 19:19

Isabella Rayanne wrote: Greetings, I am greatly confused by a number of things involved in this situation. First, alliance membership is by choice, not force. Members can chose whether they want to join Havoc Unleashed, Knights Templar, any number of other alliances  or create their own alliance. What right, than, does a member of another alliance have in dictating who is or is not an alliance leader? Second, if there was a valid concern about Johnny's leadership, what benefit does it have to attack those in his alliance? It sounds, to me, that the "Rules of Engagement" imply that Havoc Unleashed members are incapable of making their own decisions, in regards to their own leadership. Otherwise, it would be pointless to claim the attacks on Johnny112 have any purpose other than to terrorize a leader, and his alliance, for opinion differences. As Havoc Unleashed membership is not required, either for any player to join, nor remain a member of, in order to participate in Illyriad. Third, the hostilities between Havoc Unleashed and Knights Templar did not erupt from failed diplomacy and irreconcilable differences. It started with unexplained, and unprovoked, thievery (and magic) against Havoc Unleashed members. As my duties include recruitment, and occasionally assisting new players with Illyriad, what justifies the theft of advanced items from my city? I am not a tyrant. In fact, I have faced conflict from views on respectful treatment of new players, and non-alliance neighbors, in general. That suggests that conflict is against those that do not agree with the Knights Templar. (Or is it coincidental that my city was attacked, by someone I had never heard of, for which there was no cost effectiveness?) Even in attempted humor, the "Rules of Engagement" posted here, indicates who the real tyrant is. We welcomed you into our alliance. We offered friendship and an environment of teamwork and companionship. (And often a rather quirky sense of AC humor.) As is your right, you did not wish to remain within Havoc Unleashed. Rather than leave peacefully, as Havoc Unleashed held no ill-will toward you, the thievery began and descended into madness. This has nothing to do with Johnny112 being any type of tyrant. Its about power and domination. Who Havoc Unleashed has for a leader, and what, if any social skills he has in posting inter-alliance Mail, has nothing to do with you nor your alliance. There is no "freeing oppressed alliance members" as there is nothing that forced any Havoc Unleashed member to join nor anything keeping them from leaving, if they so chose. If you want to show that this is not an attempt to dominate Havoc Unleashed, and exert external power over Havoc Unleashed, ending the hostilities would be a good start. My only crime is disagreeing with you. I am a member of Havoc Unleashed. If I want Johnny112 as my leader, that is my choice. Demanding that the leader, I chose, to step down, and leave the alliance he started, is not defending me, as a Havoc Unleashed member. Its an attempt to exert control over an alliance you chose to leave. Leaving was your choice. Staying is my choice. I offer an olive branch, not a white flag.

Well said.

SunStorm wrote: StJude wrote: "Sunstorm of the swollen nipples" Does anyone else find this offensive?  (o.0)  or maybe its just me....

Flippin' sissy.