Havoc v. ~K~T~ Conditions and Rules of Engagement

Lords and Ladies, Lego Enthusiasts and Frozen Peas of all ages,

As many of you may well be aware, a small rebel band of intrepid and rather good looking heroes, having endured tyranny and oppression at the hands of a corrupt and self-aggrandizing despot, broke ranks and appointed themselves masters of their own demesne.

Their reasons for doing so, were chronicled in GC by the troubadour of the ages "Sunstorm of the swollen nipples" and then bid "bon voyage" as the tale set sail on the good ship "Train Wreck" as it navigated it's way to "The Bitter Sea"

Charges were levelled, heckles were raised, flower beds were stomped and little girls braids were pulled until they cried, then they were laughed at and called "sissies" and "babies" and told "Go home to mummy". The propaganda machines were fired up and furiously toiled, earning time and a half for working overtime. (Hey, what can I do? They unionized)

The war drums had their skins tightened and could be heard loud and clear from deep within the Middle Kingdom. The howling (and occasional squeak, rather much like a tiny pig being dropped from an airplane) of eldritch magick echoed from western Keshalia. War erupted (actually, it was more like a burp than anything) yet again in the world of Illyriad!

Messengers were dispatched, neutral parties shared their opinions in excited tones around the table over pints (and rock shandies if you were a girl) at "The Global Chateau".

The leaders of Knights Templar roared, coughed and passed gas around their campfires.

It was time to lay out some rules for engagement and the conditions required before a laying down of arms (and the Sunday Paper) would occur.

Conditions required for the ceasing of hostilities.

The leaders of Knights Templar are united in their common goal to see the leader of Havoc, so named here as Johnny112, resign as both a leader and member of Havoc from here forth. For the period of one month, he shall be stripped of his ties to other Kingdoms and may not lead another alliance until the one month time limit expires. He is welcome to seek sanctuary by subjecting himself to the whims of another coalition of Kingdoms, but should he accept a position of leadership before the expiration of the time set, he will forfeit the terms laid out here and will be an eligible target once again.

What say you Tyrant?

Terms of Engagement

The leaders of Knights Templar, being both just and fat in belly, recognise that not all of Havoc Unleashed is as corrupt as their close handed and inconsiderate leader and will honor those of the oppressed populace who wish to remain free from conflict and retaliation.

As such, we request that those who wish to support the current regime and engage in hostilities, make themselves known and report in here. Only those names listed as being in collusion with his reprehensible eminence (So here named as Johnny112) will be the targets of the swift hand of justice that will be dealt to our foes. (And that one sparrow who keeps crapping on the hood of my volkswagon jetta. I seriously hate that bird)

Any members of Havoc, who send spies, scouts, thieves, saboteurs or assassins will immediately become eligible targets for retaliation.

Any members of Havoc, who cast spells from the Blight School of magic on cities waving the Knights Templar flag will immediately become eligible targets for retaliation.

Any members of Havoc, who reinforce cities of those in collusion will immediately become eligible targets for retaliation.

Any members of Havoc, who send armies against Knights Templar will immediately become eligible targets for retaliation.

Are the terms of engagement acceptable to the denizens of Havoc Unleashed?

We await your snivelling replies Good Sirs and Madams.


Edited by StJude - 14 Jun 2011 at 03:57

geofrey wrote: If we have already been attacked with blight and thieves from Knights Templar, before any rules of engagement were posted,  can we assume we are a target?

No, as the terms state, only named targets placed in this thread or those who violate the rules of engagement will be targets.

This will allow smaller, newer and growing players to be left alone to focus on their cities.

Greetings,

I am greatly confused by a number of things involved in this situation.

First, alliance membership is by choice, not force. Members can chose whether they want to join Havoc Unleashed, Knights Templar, any number of other alliances  or create their own alliance. What right, than, does a member of another alliance have in dictating who is or is not an alliance leader?

Second, if there was a valid concern about Johnny's leadership, what benefit does it have to attack those in his alliance? It sounds, to me, that the "Rules of Engagement" imply that Havoc Unleashed members are incapable of making their own decisions, in regards to their own leadership. Otherwise, it would be pointless to claim the attacks on Johnny112 have any purpose other than to terrorize a leader, and his alliance, for opinion differences. As Havoc Unleashed membership is not required, either for any player to join, nor remain a member of, in order to participate in Illyriad.

Third, the hostilities between Havoc Unleashed and Knights Templar did not erupt from failed diplomacy and irreconcilable differences. It started with unexplained, and unprovoked, thievery (and magic) against Havoc Unleashed members. As my duties include recruitment, and occasionally assisting new players with Illyriad, what justifies the theft of advanced items from my city? I am not a tyrant. In fact, I have faced conflict from views on respectful treatment of new players, and non-alliance neighbors, in general. That suggests that conflict is against those that do not agree with the Knights Templar. (Or is it coincidental that my city was attacked, by someone I had never heard of, for which there was no cost effectiveness?)

Even in attempted humor, the "Rules of Engagement" posted here, indicates who the real tyrant is. We welcomed you into our alliance. We offered friendship and an environment of teamwork and companionship. (And often a rather quirky sense of AC humor.) As is your right, you did not wish to remain within Havoc Unleashed. Rather than leave peacefully, as Havoc Unleashed held no ill-will toward you, the thievery began and descended into madness. This has nothing to do with Johnny112 being any type of tyrant. Its about power and domination. Who Havoc Unleashed has for a leader, and what, if any social skills he has in posting inter-alliance Mail, has nothing to do with you nor your alliance. There is no "freeing oppressed alliance members" as there is nothing that forced any Havoc Unleashed member to join nor anything keeping them from leaving, if they so chose.

If you want to show that this is not an attempt to dominate Havoc Unleashed, and exert external power over Havoc Unleashed, ending the hostilities would be a good start. My only crime is disagreeing with you. I am a member of Havoc Unleashed. If I want Johnny112 as my leader, that is my choice. Demanding that the leader, I chose, to step down, and leave the alliance he started, is not defending me, as a Havoc Unleashed member. Its an attempt to exert control over an alliance you chose to leave. Leaving was your choice. Staying is my choice.

I offer an olive branch, not a white flag.

SunStorm wrote: StJude wrote: "Sunstorm of the swollen nipples" Does anyone else find this offensive?  (o.0)  or maybe its just me....

Flippin' sissy.

Isabella Rayanne wrote: Greetings, I am greatly confused by a number of things involved in this situation. First, alliance membership is by choice, not force. Members can chose whether they want to join Havoc Unleashed, Knights Templar, any number of other alliances  or create their own alliance. What right, than, does a member of another alliance have in dictating who is or is not an alliance leader? Second, if there was a valid concern about Johnny's leadership, what benefit does it have to attack those in his alliance? It sounds, to me, that the "Rules of Engagement" imply that Havoc Unleashed members are incapable of making their own decisions, in regards to their own leadership. Otherwise, it would be pointless to claim the attacks on Johnny112 have any purpose other than to terrorize a leader, and his alliance, for opinion differences. As Havoc Unleashed membership is not required, either for any player to join, nor remain a member of, in order to participate in Illyriad. Third, the hostilities between Havoc Unleashed and Knights Templar did not erupt from failed diplomacy and irreconcilable differences. It started with unexplained, and unprovoked, thievery (and magic) against Havoc Unleashed members. As my duties include recruitment, and occasionally assisting new players with Illyriad, what justifies the theft of advanced items from my city? I am not a tyrant. In fact, I have faced conflict from views on respectful treatment of new players, and non-alliance neighbors, in general. That suggests that conflict is against those that do not agree with the Knights Templar. (Or is it coincidental that my city was attacked, by someone I had never heard of, for which there was no cost effectiveness?) Even in attempted humor, the "Rules of Engagement" posted here, indicates who the real tyrant is. We welcomed you into our alliance. We offered friendship and an environment of teamwork and companionship. (And often a rather quirky sense of AC humor.) As is your right, you did not wish to remain within Havoc Unleashed. Rather than leave peacefully, as Havoc Unleashed held no ill-will toward you, the thievery began and descended into madness. This has nothing to do with Johnny112 being any type of tyrant. Its about power and domination. Who Havoc Unleashed has for a leader, and what, if any social skills he has in posting inter-alliance Mail, has nothing to do with you nor your alliance. There is no "freeing oppressed alliance members" as there is nothing that forced any Havoc Unleashed member to join nor anything keeping them from leaving, if they so chose. If you want to show that this is not an attempt to dominate Havoc Unleashed, and exert external power over Havoc Unleashed, ending the hostilities would be a good start. My only crime is disagreeing with you. I am a member of Havoc Unleashed. If I want Johnny112 as my leader, that is my choice. Demanding that the leader, I chose, to step down, and leave the alliance he started, is not defending me, as a Havoc Unleashed member. Its an attempt to exert control over an alliance you chose to leave. Leaving was your choice. Staying is my choice. I offer an olive branch, not a white flag.

Well said.