Harvesting hides and animal parts

You kill it you harvest it. You did not kill it, then you take a risk harvesting it. Stop moaning and crying when you want to get some things for free instead of earning it. The cost of troops in combating NPC's is far greater than a few skinners. My opinion has been very clear from the start. And to Nesse (Odd), had you bothered to read my profile like I mentioned to you months ago you would have known what my attitude is without trying to make it a propaganda event in the forum. The rest of my neighbours harvest their kills and even some of mine due to the fact that they bothered to contact me and reach some agreement.

Meagh wrote: ^^ Agree! I am not sure why someone would want to risk sending skinners out unprotected. I always occupy / camp any resources i've slain while gathering. For those who say, 'oh but might makes right! Small alliances loose in this' ... well, I am in a small alliance and I have had armies clash with larger groups such as H? or various crow confeds and I can say without a doubt that in all instances any incidents were easy to resolve based on who arrived first and were conducted without much grace by the larger groups. In my experience, it's the smaller groups who tend toward the 'might makes right' unreasonableness in these matters. - M.

^^ Agree! I am not sure why someone would want to risk sending skinners out unprotected. I always occupy / camp any resources i've slain while gathering.

For those who say, 'oh but might makes right! Small alliances loose in this' ... well, I am in a small alliance and I have had armies clash with larger groups such as H? or various crow confeds and I can say without a doubt that in all instances any incidents were easy to resolve based on who arrived first and were conducted without much grace by the larger groups. In my experience, it's the smaller groups who tend toward the 'might makes right' unreasonableness in these matters. - M.

Auraya wrote: I'm still unsure why you need to kill harvesters when you can bump them, unless someone has sent an army to mark your kill. Whatever you claim - 5 squares, 10, 100 - you can do so without killing someone's skinners.

Kumomoto wrote: You are ok with 5 squares. Grag is ok with 10. You both acknowledge that there is a distance where it is appropriate to respect others' rights to these things. You just differ on the distance. And after the first few times, I would have thought you'd stop sending... (doing the same thing and expecting different results et al...) This is Elgea, not suburbs USA. any time you send out someone to gather, you are taking a risk. And I applaud Grag for making his position clear. Now you and everyone else shouldn't have a problem avoiding getting your skinners killed...

Just to clarify my reasoning for each of the three teams killed, and still sending skinners to that quadrant of the map:
1st team, harvesting unmarked animal parts on map centred on my town, no town close on the map. I assume they were killed by critters spawned while they were in transit. (Yes, harvesting is a risktaking.) No message.
2d team, harvesting same area, Gragnog sends an april fools message (as I assume) pretending to be cross about my harvesting, but graciously allowing me to harvest 23 wolfskins or thereabouts. Somewhat later he actually kills a team and it becomes clear that he was not joking on 1st of April. I complain and he says "It is within 5 squares of my town, tough luck." or something like that.
3d team, I make sure by scrolling the map that the unmarked animal parts are NOT within 5 squares of a Gragnog town. Again they are killed, and again I complain, and now the reply does not say anything about a distance, but I should ask before I harvest.

I don't LIKE a 10-square rule, but as Kumomoto says, if I know I can adapt, and as some others have pointed out you can claim whatever you want if you have big enough guns.

But regardless of the guns, I would prefer if changes in policy would be stated a bit softer than killing other peoples harvesters in increasing circles around your towns.

PS
Are you saying that suburbs USA is safe, Kumomoto?