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GM Luna 
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Community Manager Joined: 22 Oct 2011 Location: Illyriad Status: Offline Points: 2042 |
 Topic: Harmless? dethroned - what does this mean?Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 19:35 |
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Closing for insults.
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Darkwords
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Joined: 23 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1005 |
Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 19:33 |
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You could if you actually read the guy's post (he explains why), can't believe how ignorant you two really are. You post your stupidity up here for all to read. |
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Daefis
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Joined: 05 Aug 2011 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 128 |
Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 19:31 |
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Errm this precedent was set long before the current war. I remember Direb's Silversteel town being ganked by every member ally of the coalition at the end of the last war with very few of them actually having declared war on VIC. I'm sure there were examples in both directions but to claim this a new level of dastardly behavior is a little rich.
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belargyle
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Joined: 17 Jun 2010 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 401 |
Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 18:58 |
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Can't be more accurate than that!
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belargyle
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Joined: 17 Jun 2010 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 401 |
Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 18:55 |
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If you are confused, it is because this war has had basic war etiquette thrown out the window and has become a basic free for all.
In fact, what is most hypocrital is their whining about not declaring when in fact they have as many, if not more attacks against allaince they have not decalared against. And since ALL the wars are connected for the purpose of attacking H (and not the bogus issue of NC).. they are all interlinked and thus one war. This is proven by not only the military attacks, but diplomatic attacks and magic. Dlord, prior to expanding our attacks beyond vCrow and EE, we were and are being hit by Dips from SOON, Aesir, and Shade.. none of whom we attacked initially. In attacking/sieging cities, we have had alliance from every one (except NAAM - they are to far away to deal with our previous sieges) of the opposition hit them. So what you have is a war, that is a single solitary act, with many fingers working in different areas for the same goal. Attack H and by extension, their friends. Hey, I'm all for it :) but let's cut the crap and be honest. It was one thing when it started, now the war is simply called, the war of the Vultures. You have groups that have come in, not to fight NC (again the lie but hey - THAT is what this war is all about right? Stopping NC ) but instead the new groups go after - H.. What a shocker :) And the others who are waiting to come in to. What needs to be understood, that I don't think the other side understands is that our side will not surrender. This war WILL last a least a year but most likely much much longer. And every group that has entered this war will be called upon to answer for their action in it... so this war will never end and everyone involved will always be a target. It is one thing to be gung-ho for a war a month or two into it.. after 10 months of always needing to be on at early hours, checking your cities for incoming attacks constantly, gets tedious to the point of wanting to quit the game. Ask those from the last war. This war WILL be longer by far than any other war played out in Illy, thus far. Each alliance on our side will choose being relocated because our last city has fallen and not surrendered, NOT because the leadership wont let their members go but because the members are committed for the long haul and wont allow the leadership to surrender - especially not after what has transpired in this particular war. Therefore the only thing these other alliances can do is, from this moment forward, know that if they are looking for our surrender they will always conitnue to be in a constant state of war, or by forcing us from the game by constant sieging and relocation of our towns so we can never grow beyond a pop of 10. We will regrow again and fight, or we will be forced from the server. For us, this is the worst case senerio I hope these alliances understand this, like nCrow, who will now be known as an alliance that will forever be at war... as well as AEsir and SOON, and others. You will never not be at war if you are looking for our surrender. *** as for the OP.. in reality the numbers are horribly skewed. Many NOW in Vcrow are there to aid wih the war but will not remain in the alliance long after it is over. Thus this in reality the board does not accurately reveal numbers due to the war effort, to hopefully win a war against H and others. Now H and others numbers are more accurate because we have not been seeking to bring people in to help bolster our numbers as our opposition has in the hopes that more numbers will help them win. This is not saying they are wrong to do it, but simply stating a fact. Yet one point to remember - we have always been outnumbered in our wars, but we have not fallen - ever. Why?Because we will not surrender *** Edited by belargyle - 02 Dec 2013 at 19:09 |
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KillerPoodle
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Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1853 |
Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 18:34 |
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Lets go through this again:
1) You claim that you are defending an ally yet you tell us we're bad for doing the same. 2) Said ally was under attack because they threatened to eliminate an opponent. 3) Your defense of said ally was over a month late and happened *after* they already had an offer of peace. 4) Your defense also conveniently started after a bunch of large alliances declared war on NC. 5) H? did not get involved against CK in any way, shape or form. So, in short, you decided to get a few cowardly kicks in while you thought NC was distracted and couch it up in a claim of defending an over aggressive ally while telling H? off for allegedly doing the same. As I said in IGM - hypocritical, cowardly vultures. KP
Disowned by his own alliance leader - how sad. |
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"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill |
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Janosch
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Joined: 19 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 169 |
Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 18:03 |
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Two sieges on NAAM without a war
declaration. Halcyon, You keep forgetting that H? is protecting RE together with
NC (however that is related to H? war declaration on EE and violation of the
last peace treaty). They must be very proud about their sieges against the NAAM-Alliance
which they have also launched because we are hypocrites, vultures and people
who do not deserve any respect (at least that is what KP told me or it is just
because we are relatively week, inexperienced and close).
KP, I did respect H? very much until you decided to back up NC.
That you tend to punish us with disrespect is your way of playing and certainly
reminds me about Sir Bradley. However, claiming that everyone is a hypocrite really
starts to be extremely boring. It sort of makes any further communication with
you pointless (be it in forum or via mail). Brandmeister, I am not sure who Auel is. He or she certainly does not
speak for NAAM and I think others have explained the essence of this war much
better. Certainly the entire situation escalated badly and H? (also)
bears responsibility for that. Personally I feel that I needed to aid CK
against NC and because H? backed NC, a fairly large part of the server revolted
against this sort of H? dominance. If H? tactic is to attack NAAM now, so be
it. I am glad, I have the opportunity to stand up against this unholy coalition. |
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Brandmeister
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Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396 |
Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 17:14 |
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I think this is the essence of your disagreement, guys. H? apparently feels that attacks against their allies are acts of hostility that can provoke a response. NAAM apparently doesn't? Although I'm kind of confused, because when I read the NAAM declaration of war post, it was because their confed Celtic Knights had been attacked by NC. Is that the same? Not the same?  /me rubs his temples in confusion.
Not to seem like I'm nitpicking, but isn't that what allies usually do--help to defend friendly cities? If they didn't do that, they'd be pretty lame allies! Hathaldir and others have consistently posted that siege breaking and city reinforcement is not an act of war. I constantly feel like I'm missing things in all these forum posts. Maybe it's just me, but this war is way more confusing than the last war. |
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KillerPoodle
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Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1853 |
Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 16:52 |
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Firstly - Might wanna check those diplomacy pages again - you're at least a month out of date. Secondly - Refer to firstly. Thirdly - There was no hiding. None of those things you say are facts are actually facts at all. This is exactly the reason why Janosch got the IGM response you're whining about. Your so-called olive branch was a bunch of lies and hypocrisy. You should also go check the diplo page of vCrow and see if you can find TVM on there - then when you cannot, go ask Ditto why his players are attacking them. Finally - I refer you back to my IMG convo with Janosch - it has everything you need to know. If you would like out then feel free to surrender and we'll discuss terms. KP Edited by KillerPoodle - 02 Dec 2013 at 17:15 |
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auel
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Joined: 23 Jan 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 61 |
Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 16:19 |
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Starry, I know you to be a reasonable person and have no wish to argue with you but your comments here do require a response.
First, NAAM has not in any way attacked or threatened Harmless, in fact we went out of our way to make it clear both publicly and privately that we have no dispute with H? You know this is true because the message was sent to you along with others. Second, from the first day of our war with NC, their armies hid in H? cities and H? armies helped them defend theirs. NAAM did not complain or respond. When NAAM reached out to H? with an olive branch, they received only insults, invective and an escalation from feints to actual attacks and now sieges. All of these are facts. If you stand for the truth as you claim, you are on the wrong side of this debate. The final truth which you utterly fail to address is that H? are conducting an undeclared war against players who bear them no ill will at all. I challenge you, live up to the H? claims to behave honourably and withdraw your troops.
Edited by auel - 02 Dec 2013 at 16:37 |
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