HAN B|B STARK Peace

Nero wrote: The game is broken if every action small alliances take is dictated by the wishes of a large confederation on the other end of the illy world.

dramatic.

the game is a sandbox. all the other players get to do what they like with their units, too. if small alliances are susceptible to this sort of pressure, that will be exactly the result, and should be.

i will be more interested in this sort of thing if/when agents of the Elgean powers participate in a losing contest and retreat to their home alliances for safety. Bimoda's enduring allegiance is well-known and here mentioned. are there repercussions for Fairy's diplomacy as a result of Bimoda's participation? it seems said participation is being interpreted as Fairy involvement at some level.

The game is broken if every action small alliances take is dictated by the wishes of a large confederation on the other end of the illy world. What would WoT, or any alliance, do if an alliance of equal size, who is known in the past to be aggressive towards you, switches from helping your confeds to appeasing your confeds enemies? From my perspective the alliances that were at war with our allies were getting a new base in Bl to attack Han and her allies. To say that Han attacked a weaker alliance is ridiculous. The fighting was pretty even until larger members started showing up in stark. 

Jejune, BL is not isolated in a vacuum.  There are players and alliances that span both continents.  There is easy flow (barring travel time) between both.  You can attempt to change the ways wars end, but you cannot dictate it barring total decisive victory and forcing your terms on the other side.  

Jejune wrote: Bimoda wrote: Jejune, you are entitled to your opinion, but HAN, as the aggressor in this conflict is paying the price for that aggression.  It is immaterial as to whom joined in. I respect your opinion on this Bimoda, but I don't agree. It is not even disputable that Hawk joining Stark and breaking Han's siege, plus the addition of yourself and a couple other WoT players with a large footprint in the BL, precipitated Han capitulating. Ask Han and they will tell you the same. Bimoda wrote: They thought they were going to take care of a weak target, took a calculated risk and failed.  There are penalties to pay when this happens.   If there were not repercussions,  every alliance would have incentive to attack another alliance and if they failed say "Hey, my bad" and skip out without penalty. There are similarities here to the recent war that my alliance was in against your former alliance Stomps. Stomps did substantially more damage to SIN and other land claiming alliances than Han did to Stark; Stomps razed He-Man's city in Elgea and destroyed hundreds or thousands of troops. Where they were able to be competitive, they fought very well -- yourself included.  We didn't impose any gold remuneration on Stomps or any player whatsoever. I know that charging gold is something that has been done in the past in Elgea, but in the BL, we are trying to set a new precedent where gold and cities don't need to be offered up as surrender terms. In both wars SIN has been in, gold and the loss of cities have not been a part of surrender. Han accepted the terms and have agreed to pay the 20 million or whatever in gold. I think it would be a great gesture on Stark's part -- who are after all a BL alliance -- to either cancel that term or give that gold back.

The Gold isn't actually meant for Stark alone as many of you are thinking. When i said "anyone" i meant it. So Botchface, Evilbanking7, Constantine, Nero, Myself, Hawk, and Metal aswell as anyone who lost troops in the war regardless of side will be receiving the gold to rebuild.

Do you know what this 'peace' treaty reminds me of? The Treaty of Versailles, which later on caused the embittered Germans to rise up and fight WWII.

You know what they say, "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, while those who do learn from history are doomed to watch those that fail to learn from history repeat it."

Jejune is right, there should have been a white peace.