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Drejan 
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 Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 16:48 |
Hora do you really think H? care of 250M? 250M is not much for an alliance but might help remember not to do it again.
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Sister Nikki
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 16:06 |
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I dont think Hora that gameplayer or I have writen the fist statement but for me at least means:
"because you have done so pay the consequences, pay the penalty"
Why we assume that diplomacy works after our actions and not before them? Do we have ignorance of our actions or we just try to act and not be caught, so there isnt a big deal ?
Edited by Sister Nikki - 23 Nov 2012 at 16:06
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Hora
Postmaster
Joined: 10 May 2010
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Points: 839
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 15:56 |
 Sister Nikki wrote:
gameplayer wrote:
i am personally going to send 1 million gold to ce so they dont have to be in the war, i urge everyone else to send them gold...no amount is too small....and i hope they spank their offending member
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I can also donate if this is the real problem 10mg 
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Entirely my point.
Why demand something like that in the first place then! Write: "Please stop, if you want to stay neutral", and that's it. Simple, direct, honest. Putting fees on it, makes that message look quite arrogant, top-down and more like a blackmailing letter than a diplomatic document. Diplomacy is all about wording and respect, and those letters (if cited correctly) had none of that, I'm afraid.
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Sister Nikki
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 15:41 |
gameplayer wrote:
i am personally going to send 1 million gold to ce so they dont have to be in the war, i urge everyone else to send them gold...no amount is too small....and i hope they spank their offending member
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I can also donate if this is the real problem 10mg
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Sister Nikki
Greenhorn
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 15:39 |
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1st 250 million gold is nothing, now if you believe that is reasonable to give or not that is a decision to be taken.
2nd when I do not want to be involved in a war or in any hostilities I do not sell or try to gain profit from the conflict but who can resist on the profit or friendship. Still is risky.
3rd Recently members of a "neutral" alliance have been caught helping in a siege, just thought that they could join an oportunity to sneak helping, sieging and fighting under anonymity.
So when you help an alliance in war either by providing resources or participating in battles both are considered as Casus belli at least if we make the interrelationships alliance = country. Now there could be a difference in trade and war supplying when trading is happening every day and hour and war supplying when you support a city under siege which is very obvious from the timing, the numbers of vans and the speed on them.
Recently just for the history even the cyberattacks are considered as reason for war from some countries.
What I do see unfortunately is that many do not like to get involved in a war clearly, but prefere to participate sneaky on the war.
Something more Inappropriate is that althouth the history has condemned as the worst action "Pearl Harbor" many are mimic this action. So as people how we judge this actions and what have we learned from our history is well pesented in Illyriad world.
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GM Luna
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Community Manager
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 15:27 |
Stay on topic. Quit trolling each other. Discuss the issue without insults and off topic nastiness or don't post. Anyone else who continues to drag down the level of discussion on these forums will be banned.
GM Luna
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twilights
Postmaster
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 14:39 |
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i am personally going to send 1 million gold to ce so they dont have to be in the war, i urge everyone else to send them gold...no amount is too small....and i hope they spank their offending member
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Darkwords
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 May 2011
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 14:36 |
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Personnaly I would be interested to know the full details of H's claim against CE, before making any judgement on it.
So many people here are so quick to explode at a simple post, whilst these posts are so clearly one sided propaganda driven dribble.
So did H merely demand payment or war with no other altimatum, if so I would feel this is a little extreme, however still I can understand why H would want to take some action given the circumstance.
similar to what R88 posted I feel an altimatum of a war declaration followed by aggresion against only those offenders caught would be proper. If others wished to defend them then they through choice would be defending their actions and therefore would also become justified as targets for H.
CE still claim they wish to be a neutral alliancce in the war, but how can this be if their leaderships sees nothing wrong with supplying a warring alliance with resources, yet beleives the opposition have nothing to hold against them.... obviously they are involved...
Someone compared this to the US and Nazi Germany, personnaly I feel a better analogy is the US and Isreal.
Edited by Darkwords - 23 Nov 2012 at 14:37
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Deranzin
Postmaster
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 14:28 |
HATHALDIR wrote:
Deranzin, i think you missed my point, H? has asked all CE members to withdraw themselves from any Consone alliance, so i am making a comparison that if a T? member has an alt in H?, shouldn't they by extension pull out of H?, because its not a training alliance?
You can probably take this all for semantics, (god knows we do!), but the point at the end of the day is you guys either want the territroy CE currently occupies, or you want gold to fund your campaign.
So for the sake of clarity, fill in the blanks!
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For the sake of clarity, TOOTHLESS IS A TRAINING ALLIANCE and as far as I know we have not received any help from them and remain neutral as all traning alliances have declared.
CE is NOT A TRAINING ALLIANCE and I will re-quote their profile page for you since you ignored it :
"The Chosen Eagles are proud to announce the coming together of The Chosen and The Eagles Eyrie Alliance to become the second wing of the Eagles Empire. The Chosen Eagles are not a training alliance, but we will invite new members on a one to one basis. " (this from their OWN profile page)
... plus, CE, despite its cries for neutrality, was CAUGHT IN THE ACT of sending resources to sieges.
What exactly is unclear for you .?. Semantics you said .?. Crystal clear situation I say and with very definite and tangible differences.
So, please stop trying to equate obviously non-similar situations.
Have a nice day :)
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
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Location: Oarnamly
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 14:21 |
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The idea that H? needs to be nice to make friends is silly. If H? does something unsavory, it is every players right to attempt to put a stop to it.
Trading with the (subjective) enemy has a long, multinational tradition. I know it's all the rage to pile on the the U.S. but there are examples all throughout history and it won't stop now. Only thing is, the consequences cannot be sidestepped by saying "but they did it." When you're caught, you're caught.
Lest we forget, he who has the weapons makes the rules, regardless of where they were made.
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