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Hora 
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 Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 12:41 |
 Sisren wrote:
Poopnug wrote:
KillerPoodle wrote:
Also - for deciding to post this in the illy forum to try to garner sympathy - the fine just went up.
Have a nice day! :)
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So now H? is punishing people for posting in the forums?... |
No poop, H?'s policy is issues are handled on their Embassy forum, and it stays there. Every time I've seen it spill over from there to here, it became a cluster-F*, and H? folks have 0 tolerance for it. |
Whichever side is right here, H?'s letter isn't a too glorious example for diplomacy...
If KP would have said something along: "Hey, we have found some caravans belonging to you, please explain, and try to stop that as far as possible." I'm sure CE wouldn't have a problem with that. But bringing along a ludicrious ransom isn't the way I'd choose to ensure an alliance to stay neutral in a war  . Why not trying to be nice, for an instance?! It is said to possible win you some friends... 
About forum posting... Yes, there is a lot of rubbish accumulating around the war threads. But for CE to openly declare their neutrality DESPITE nice mails from KP, H?'s embassy would have been the wrong place, I fear.
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Sisren
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 13:13 |
Hora wrote:
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About forum posting... Yes, there is a lot of rubbish accumulating around the war threads. But for CE to openly declare their neutrality DESPITE nice mails from KP, H?'s embassy would have been the wrong place, I fear. |
That is one sentiment, but it's just not how H? rolls...
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EvilKatia
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 13:23 |
[/QUOTE] No poop, H?'s policy is issues are handled on their Embassy forum, and it stays there. Every time I've seen it spill over from there to here, it became a cluster-F*, and H? folks have 0 tolerance for it. [/QUOTE]
99% of the time anything going in here become a cluster-F* and not just with H? ur all too right with that !
Edited by EvilKatia - 23 Nov 2012 at 13:23
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Kat
'They have to always turn a forum post into a badly written book that gives a headache and takes your iq points' - AO
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HATHALDIR
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 13:53 |
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Deranzin, i think you missed my point, H? has asked all CE members to withdraw themselves from any Consone alliance, so i am making a comparison that if a T? member has an alt in H?, shouldn't they by extension pull out of H?, because its not a training alliance?
You can probably take this all for semantics, (god knows we do!), but the point at the end of the day is you guys either want the territroy CE currently occupies, or you want gold to fund your campaign.
So for the sake of clarity, fill in the blanks!
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There's worse blokes than me!!
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Drejan
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 13:56 |
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Or they just want CE to never do it again?
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twilights
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 14:20 |
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theres alot of sneaky stuff happening that the leaders of alliances are probably not aware of, 250 million doesnt seem alot of gold for a whole alliance and everyone should know that u dont send resources to a siege town unless u prepare for what may come back at you..spells should be added to this also, especially when a neutral casts a mana backed geo to protect...alliances act as an unit, the alliance is responsible for all its members..payment is cost of possible wasted time of harm?..and i agree with the increase....sorry but alliances have to be responsible for the play of its members, it sounds like a costly mistake but very fair
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abstractdream
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 14:21 |
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The idea that H? needs to be nice to make friends is silly. If H? does something unsavory, it is every players right to attempt to put a stop to it.
Trading with the (subjective) enemy has a long, multinational tradition. I know it's all the rage to pile on the the U.S. but there are examples all throughout history and it won't stop now. Only thing is, the consequences cannot be sidestepped by saying "but they did it." When you're caught, you're caught.
Lest we forget, he who has the weapons makes the rules, regardless of where they were made.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Deranzin
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 14:28 |
HATHALDIR wrote:
Deranzin, i think you missed my point, H? has asked all CE members to withdraw themselves from any Consone alliance, so i am making a comparison that if a T? member has an alt in H?, shouldn't they by extension pull out of H?, because its not a training alliance?
You can probably take this all for semantics, (god knows we do!), but the point at the end of the day is you guys either want the territroy CE currently occupies, or you want gold to fund your campaign.
So for the sake of clarity, fill in the blanks!
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For the sake of clarity, TOOTHLESS IS A TRAINING ALLIANCE and as far as I know we have not received any help from them and remain neutral as all traning alliances have declared.
CE is NOT A TRAINING ALLIANCE and I will re-quote their profile page for you since you ignored it :
"The Chosen Eagles are proud to announce the coming together of The Chosen and The Eagles Eyrie Alliance to become the second wing of the Eagles Empire. The Chosen Eagles are not a training alliance, but we will invite new members on a one to one basis. " (this from their OWN profile page)
... plus, CE, despite its cries for neutrality, was CAUGHT IN THE ACT of sending resources to sieges.
What exactly is unclear for you .?. Semantics you said .?. Crystal clear situation I say and with very definite and tangible differences.
So, please stop trying to equate obviously non-similar situations.
Have a nice day :)
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Darkwords
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 14:36 |
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Personnaly I would be interested to know the full details of H's claim against CE, before making any judgement on it.
So many people here are so quick to explode at a simple post, whilst these posts are so clearly one sided propaganda driven dribble.
So did H merely demand payment or war with no other altimatum, if so I would feel this is a little extreme, however still I can understand why H would want to take some action given the circumstance.
similar to what R88 posted I feel an altimatum of a war declaration followed by aggresion against only those offenders caught would be proper. If others wished to defend them then they through choice would be defending their actions and therefore would also become justified as targets for H.
CE still claim they wish to be a neutral alliancce in the war, but how can this be if their leaderships sees nothing wrong with supplying a warring alliance with resources, yet beleives the opposition have nothing to hold against them.... obviously they are involved...
Someone compared this to the US and Nazi Germany, personnaly I feel a better analogy is the US and Isreal.
Edited by Darkwords - 23 Nov 2012 at 14:37
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twilights
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 14:39 |
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i am personally going to send 1 million gold to ce so they dont have to be in the war, i urge everyone else to send them gold...no amount is too small....and i hope they spank their offending member
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