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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 06:20
Quick Question: Can a blockade differentiate between an incoming van due to a trade and a van that's been sent to provide resources?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 06:25
I don't understand how supplying someone is an act of war? It's done all the time in real life wars. Example, the U.S. was supplying Germany before and while we were fighting them in WWII...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 06:34
Originally posted by Vibs Vibs wrote:

Can a blockade differentiate between an incoming van due to a trade and a van that's been sent to provide resources?
I'd be surprised if a blockade can see the colour of a van (blue, green, yellow, red), let alone the nature of its mission.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 06:39
I think Angrim gave a good piece of advice yesterday. He suggested thsoe who didnt want to get in this war due to the 'but you're supplying ennemies' argument should trade from hubs only. 

A bit ackward if you have no trader but I heard the price of wine was down due to the war so maybe not such a bad timing to start it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 07:05
Dammit H?, why is it that whenever I start agreeing with you do some ridiculous unnecessary mustache twirling?  Any reasonable and fairly unbiased person will realize you're in the right here, why do you care if they tell the world they've been aiding your enemies?  Trying to punish them for it just makes it look like you have something to hide.  

As I said though, Harmless? is basically justified in my view.  Obviously they can't just let people send supplies to their enemies unchecked, and since they caught CE(By the way, seriously guys?  It's almost impossible to get caught here, unless you do something stupid like send stuff directly from your cities to one under blockade or talk about it in chat.) they clearly need to take action to stop it.  this fine is a bit steep, but not all that terrible for a systematic breech of neutrality.  And honestly, you might have tried to negotiate it down.  I'd bet H? isn't so eager for new enemies they would push too hard.  Worth a try anyway.  

Also, why would you need anyone to inform you that sending weapons and supplies to combatants is a breech of neutrality?  It's pretty obvious.  I could see trade being justified, if you were trading with both sides, but you're by your own admission not.  As far as the player only having been it CE "a fortnight", where I come from that's two weeks.  It takes two weeks to tell a new player you're neutral?  Really?  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 07:47
so by extension, every H? member with an alt in T? needs to leave H? as well, or is this one of those "do as i say, not as i do" kinda things?
and 250 million??? guys you have been playing to long, us Eagles give most of our stuff to newbs in our alliances, so it makes it a touch hard to come up with that sort of coin!
But i do beleive Chosen Eagles are intent on Passive Resistance!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 08:08
Resistance is Futile ... we [H?] are the Borg ...
In a world where data is coin of the realm, and
transmissions are guarded by no better sentinels
than man-made codes and corruptible devices,
there is no such thing as a secret.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 08:33
Ok the only way i can see an agreeable way to get this situation out of the way is for H? not to take on CE (who is Neutral and trying to stay out of the war) is for H? to go for the specific players that helped rather than punishing the entire Alliance. as Aurordan said 
 
Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

why would you need anyone to inform you that sending weapons and supplies to combatants is a breech of neutrality?  It's pretty obvious.  


this is my opinion so sorry if i offended anyone

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 09:51
Originally posted by HATHALDIR HATHALDIR wrote:

so by extension, every H? member with an alt in T? needs to leave H? as well, or is this one of those "do as i say, not as i do" kinda things? 

"The Chosen Eagles are proud to announce the coming together of The Chosen and The Eagles Eyrie Alliance to become the second wing of the Eagles Empire. The Chosen Eagles are not a training alliance"

Nope ... the differences are that unlike T?, CE is NOT a training alliance and the most important is that T? is not sending anything to H? as far as I know ... and if you want your alt, your friends or accounts you sit for to help you out with crafting cattle for example (like I do), all you have to do is NOT PUT THEM IN ANOTHER ALLIANCE that does not participate in the war OR do not put them in ANY alliance whatsoever ! 

Wouldn't you agree that it is a reasonable choice to not involve others in such ventures .?.

Also, it is not as if in this game people go around and attack any random fellow sitting idle without alliance affiliation ... too many juicy abandonded accounts exist for those warlike people to attack or steal from.  You can attack my friend (considering that you can find him), but hey that is the risk in participating in the war ...

So, I think that the matter is quite straightforward here ... having alts or friends outside alliances helping you is one thing and contains a certain risk, but it is a honest enough idea ... placing alts in other alliances NOT participating in the war and hiding behind that "peace curtain" while in fact you are helping them out with resources and shout "I am peaceful, I am peaceful" to gather sympathy, is quite a different concept. 

Originally posted by HATHALDIR HATHALDIR wrote:

and 250 million??? guys you have been playing to long, us Eagles give most of our stuff to newbs in our alliances, so it makes it a touch hard to come up with that sort of coin!
But i do beleive Chosen Eagles are intent on Passive Resistance!

... as for the fine, yes, if you or me ALONE where asked for such a sum it could be an impossible sum, but for a whole alliance .?. 

Originally posted by Poopnug Poopnug wrote:

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Also - for deciding to post this in the illy forum to try to garner sympathy - the fine just went up.

Have a nice day!  :)

So now H? is punishing people for posting in the forums?...

I think the raise was for your failed blatant propaganda attempt, not for "simply posting" ... Tongue

Really, they caught you people redhanded sneaking around in sieges with resources and you name war reparations as an extortion while filling your thread with all that lucid mumbo-jumbo ("terrifying", "trifling", "dictates") .?. Naahhh ... I can applaud your richness in vocabulary, but the synthesis was very "poor" indeed.

Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:

  Example, the U.S. was supplying Germany before and while we were fighting them in WWII...


ehmm that may be ...  but are you proud of that .?.  I'd guess not ... 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 12:17
Originally posted by Poopnug Poopnug wrote:

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Also - for deciding to post this in the illy forum to try to garner sympathy - the fine just went up.

Have a nice day!  :)

So now H? is punishing people for posting in the forums?...

No poop, H?'s policy is issues are handled on their Embassy forum, and it stays there.
Every time I've seen it spill over from there to here, it became a cluster-F*, and H? folks have 0 tolerance for it.
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