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StJude 
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 Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 22:18 |
 Rill wrote:
However, if any of these players wish to make peace, I urge them to contact me. I can't make any promises, but I will approach involved parties. |
Rill, I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you.
Anyway, let's see if you can put your money where your mouth is. AB's, contrary to conjecture and belief, is NOT an alt of Borg, Zork or I.
He is actually a new player that met up with Borg in Order of the Maiar and thought he could get some PvP action from ICON.
He has no designs on H? and neither does ICON really. We just happened to put cities in "their" territory.
If you are willing to broker peace between AB's specifically and H?, then I think AB's would welcome that. Me? I am a stubborn Mick and to quote another fictional Irishman, "That is MY island" so no interest there. (That other island AB's is on, is not "my" island. I don't care for it.)
Mail him if you are really serious as I don't think he wants to have a tete a tete with H?.
Edited by StJude - 29 Oct 2011 at 22:19
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 22:12 |
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Post Script:
Perspective: Jude and like declared war on us remember. Not the other way round.
(Repetitious, but): Made bed, enjoy sleep.
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"ouch...best of luck."
HonoredMule
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 21:35 |
Rill wrote:
ICON further has a history of starting wars and then complaining about people following through with them. |
QFT. Harmless (?) company motto: 'We follow through'. 
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"ouch...best of luck."
HonoredMule
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SunStorm
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Joined: 01 Apr 2011
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 21:09 |
- I must say, I agree with all of Rill's observations as well.
- And I would be less likely to believe a one sided argument based on what Zork and Jude post without hearing the side of Harmless.
- I will also be watching with Kurdruk to see what develops, and to see the reason for these sieges.
- I will say, however, that I have yet to see any H? member siege another for absolutely no reason...whatever that reason may be.
(P.S. Kilo, you must learn to master the colors. It doesn't come natural for some...)
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"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 20:33 |
Siege armies take longer to travel than do the reinforcing armies they land on. So the suggestion that the sieges were sent in response to a mail is laughable.
ICON has a history of creating new accounts to place near their cities in an attempt to avoid being sieged. This was apparently deemed out of line by the devs, who have now changed the rules to prevent people from doing this by not allowing the use of Tenaril's Spell during new player protection. I'm not saying it was somehow against the rules at the time it was done, merely that the devs have apparently decided that it was an exploit.
ICON further has a history of starting wars and then complaining about people following through with them.
Is there anything new happening here? Are any players involved other than StJude, Borg and Zork? The same old cast of characters?
As for these folks being "small" players, they would be much larger players if their aggressive actions had not resulted in their being sieged.
I really doubt that ICON seeks peace, and decry their habit of using proxies to spread disinformation that seeks to make them innocent victims in a war that they started.
However, if any of these players wish to make peace, I urge them to contact me. I can't make any promises, but I will approach involved parties.
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StJude
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 20:28 |
Kilotov of DokGthung wrote:
well its only natural that icon players are hunted down. think about it..
why would a powerhouse tolerate even the small ones that dare stand up against it?
of course one can call a slaughter a punitive expedition and a siege a "change in demography"...
well, blame them for joining icon in the first place.. if people agree to join such an ally, expect the dominant faction to try wipe you out.
anyway, the island guys are probably alts or such...
and of course lots of people hate jude, but this scenario is what i warned Jude from...
that his foolish actions would involve minor and innocent players in a terrible experience was
foretold by me.
so there is the weary concrete possibility that ICON leadership considers his members nothing but cannon fodder.
and heck, now you are branded as "heretic". your annihilation is inevitable. resistance is futile.
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Kilotov of DokGthung
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 20:18 |
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well its only natural that icon players are hunted down. think about it..
why would a powerhouse tolerate even the small ones that dare stand up against it?
of course one can call a slaughter a punitive expedition and a siege a "change in demography"...
well, blame them for joining icon in the first place.. if people agree to join such an ally, expect the dominant faction to try wipe you out.
anyway, the island guys are probably alts or such...
and of course lots of people hate jude, but this scenario is what i warned Jude from...
that his foolish actions would involve minor and innocent players in a terrible experience was
foretold by me.
so there is the weary concrete possibility that ICON leadership considers his members nothing but cannon fodder.
and heck, now you are branded as "heretic". your annihilation is inevitable. resistance is futile.
Edited by Kilotov of DokGthung - 29 Oct 2011 at 20:18
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Brids17
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 19:25 |
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I'm not trying to support ICON but is the involvement of so many alliances really necessary? No offence but this is getting really pathetic. The alliance is so pitifully small I just don't understand how anyone can justify the involvement of more than one alliance.
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Sloter
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 16:37 |
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It takes some 10 minutes to look on profile and names of besieged players to understand that they are alts created with idea to help cover that small island and made it safe for "real" ICON players to move.
There are 3 players on that island, one has 3 pop and is already suspended, other has 96 and named after TD, and 3rd is maybe "real" player (it was his choice to put him self on line of fire?)
Great improvisation from ICON in atempt to colonise that island but really lets keep our objectivity.
Those acc are simply not newbies but tools for achiving military goal.
It is so scarry how people dont even bother to try and get them self informed on basic facts, it only takes few minutes to do so.
I personally think that ICON and StJude should be left in game, they add certain interesting aspect to both GC and game, but what really bothers me that far too often people from almost all alliances use forums to twist truth, that practis is dangerous, just remember that tomorrow it could be you who are slandered, this goes for all who insult StJude on GC when ever they can, and also those who attack H? with words when ever posible without bothering to understand what is going on.There is no real differens betveen two groupes, except sides that you have chosen.
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Celebcalen
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 16:09 |
LordOfTheSwamp wrote:
Personally, I'm not going to criticize H? I appreciate their need to balance principle with the need to maintain their power advantage.
But I am amused by the light this casts on those who are so keen to use morality as a smokescreen for aggression when it suits them.
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The amusement or indeed the apparent cynicism of Kudruk/Lord of the Swamp are not as important in this thread as the concern that the community shows when smaller players are allegedly attacked by larger ones. Irregardless of who the aggressor may or may not be that concern must always be genuine. The fact is that charges have been made against H? in general and HM has been mentioned in person.Let us here there side of the event. If the cities of smaller players can be preserved as a resu;t of a misunderstanding or misplaced event then at least the community will have achieved something.
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