H? sieging small players nowhere near thier cities

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I will be watching this thread with interest. A couple of evenings ago a big alliance leader was claiming on GC that he would militarily punish Squill (OCON) for Squill's aleged thefts from smaller players. A few months ago I recall quite a lot of people wanting to punish _[oh gods, I can't even bring myself to type it, but everyone knows which obnoxious jerk I mean] for attacking Ber[oh gods no, I can't type that either]. I'm sure I've seen many people hailing the community for its steadfast defense of small members.

So, in the forthcoming days I expect that lots of people will be reading this thread and

demanding the immediate punishment of Harmless?

performing mental and verbal contortions as they try to avoid admitting their hypocrisy as they avoid criticizing H? over this

deciding not to respond.

Personally, I'm not going to criticize H? I appreciate their need to balance principle with the need to maintain their power advantage.

But I am amused by the light this casts on those who are so keen to use morality as a smokescreen for aggression when it suits them.

Edited by LordOfTheSwamp - 29 Oct 2011 at 15:54

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LordOfTheSwamp Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Warrior Joined: 23 May 2011 Location: Swamp of Fyrgis Status: Offline Points: 481	Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 15:09
	I will be watching this thread with interest. A couple of evenings ago a big alliance leader was claiming on GC that he would militarily punish Squill (OCON) for Squill's aleged thefts from smaller players. A few months ago I recall quite a lot of people wanting to punish _[oh gods, I can't even bring myself to type it, but everyone knows which obnoxious jerk I mean] for attacking Ber[oh gods no, I can't type that either]. I'm sure I've seen many people hailing the community for its steadfast defense of small members. So, in the forthcoming days I expect that lots of people will be reading this thread and ~~demanding the immediate punishment of Harmless?~~ ~~performing mental and verbal contortions as they try to avoid admitting their hypocrisy as they avoid criticizing H? over this~~ deciding not to respond. Personally, I'm not going to criticize H? I appreciate their need to balance principle with the need to maintain their power advantage. But I am amused by the light this casts on those who are so keen to use morality as a smokescreen for aggression when it suits them. Edited by LordOfTheSwamp - 29 Oct 2011 at 15:54
	"A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander.

Zork2012 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 135	Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 14:01
	We at ICON didnt like losing the cities at the other island but we could see H? point on that one, we were right at 10 squares from 1 of thier cities. Ok, np. This is completely different, these two players are both small and niether has done anything to deserve this kind of treatment. Say what you want about me and Jude.

Darkwords Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 23 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1005	Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 13:56
	Sounds typical. I expect they had sent the camps for seiges anyway, but your mail prob reminded them to send the seige armies out. Either that or they were hoping you would attack the camps so they could cry you were bullying them and then send the seiges.

LordOfTheSwamp Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Warrior Joined: 23 May 2011 Location: Swamp of Fyrgis Status: Offline Points: 481	Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 13:54
	This isn't new. H? have already destroyed a series of ICON settlements on another island that were attempting the same thing. I've just written another post, pointing out that H? are in effect medieval rulers, not modern moral arbiters - they can afford morality only if they can first preserve their power. I won't repeat it here, but if anyone's interested: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/lap-ornament-suspended_topic2649_page3.html This has nothing to do with morality, and everything to do with power. I personally have a lot of sympathy for the ICON guys - no-one wants to have their cities steamrollered by the massed armies of our de facto rulers - but a few minutes thought will reveal why ICON's island-fortress policy is a threat to H?, and so it's pretty clear why H? are doing this.
	"A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander.

Zork2012 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 135	Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 13:46
	Let me explain a little better, I recieved a IGM asking why army camps had popped up around the cities I have given a link to, when I sent mail asking what was the purpose of thiese camps, sieges were sent in response. Honored Mule had read my mail before the siege was sent. The larger of the two victims is only at about 1300 pop

Zork2012 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 135	Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 13:43
	they sent sieges as a response

Darkwords Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 23 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1005	Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 13:33
	Wait.... What was their response

Zork2012 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 135	Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 13:31
	At the time of this writing 2 smallish players from ICON have sieges inbound to thier cities. H? is now stooping to an all time low by doing this. I tried to comunicate with H? and this was thier response. These small players are settling an island here http://uk1.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Map/-704/-654 These players pose no threat to H? and they are more than 50 squares away from the nearest H? member. This is a dasterdly deed by H? and I would hope that the community here can apply whatever political pressure they can to stop this.