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Points: 1853 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:18
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Oh, so now it's not about getting fair compensation -- it's about getting your pound of flesh any way you can?

Was it ever your intention to accept compensation?  Or was it just a ploy to give cover for your intention to beat up on weaker players?

I beg you to come to your senses and be the people I have known and respected for so long.


Being a nice person doesn't mean you have to let someone walk all over you just because they feel like it.

Had we seen any good faith attempt to negotiate a fair settlement we would have accepted it - no attempt was made so we are where we are.  We made it really clear what could be done to avoid conflict and VALAR chose to stick to their guns - their choices ended up with this result.

Why should we accept unreasonable behavior?
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Points: 1483 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 06:18
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

This is an important lesson for Rill - not everything requires her involvement.

I don't really care what you think of Rill, that's completely irrelevant. When someone offers to play the middle man in a diplomatic situation, you don't take the compensation and say "I don't like you so I'm keeping the money and continuing the war". You thank them for helping out and resolving a problem that couldn't otherwise be resolved that way and move on. I stand by what I said, extremely petty. 
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Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

You decided to butt in and send unsolicited gold - thanks for the gift.

Wow KP... Someone offers to pay for compensation for Valar and you ignore it but keep the gold? Extremely petty.


This is an important lesson for Rill - not everything requires her involvement.
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Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

You decided to butt in and send unsolicited gold - thanks for the gift.

Wow KP... Someone offers to pay for compensation for Valar and you ignore it but keep the gold? Extremely petty.
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 05:49
Oh, so now it's not about getting fair compensation -- it's about getting your pound of flesh any way you can?

Was it ever your intention to accept compensation?  Or was it just a ploy to give cover for your intention to beat up on weaker players?

I beg you to come to your senses and be the people I have known and respected for so long.


Edited by Rill - 09 May 2012 at 05:56
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Points: 1853 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 05:38
You decided to butt in and send unsolicited gold - thanks for the gift.

It seems as though by your last statement you really haven't read what's been posted - I'll let HM spell it out for you in only the way he can:

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This is our final summary and response:

We assert that Malpherion had every right to remove that city at any time, and that any interference was unjustified as well as premature.  Regardless of any misunderstanding at the time (which could have been easily rectified without bloodshed), he was attacked without any true provocation and deserves compensation for his losses.

Unless you wish to change Valar's stance no further response will be required from you.  Malpherion, backed by Harmless to whatever degree may be necessary, shall be taking his compensation by force plus punitive damages.  Hostilities against the aggressors and any who support them shall cease when Harmless is satisfied that Valar and any witnesses fully understand the folly of expecting to walk away from an attack on Harmless without consequence.
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 05:32
KillerPoodle, those who know me can assure you that I use what little brain I have left to the best of my ability.  Although my brain damage limits me in a number of respects, I am usually able to articulate a logical argument.

Sieging the city of _any_ player in another alliance -- even a suspended one -- without so much as sending a message to the alliance leadership describing your intentions and seeking a diplomatic solution is utterly ridiculous.

Oh, and by your statement it sounds as though you've already attacked Valar.  In which case, I think I'm due a refund of some of my gold.  Wink


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Last but not least.  The next time someone decides to disrespect our embassy by posting private comms like Taelin did - I'll just organize to siege their capital...
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Rill - you're a lovely person but I wish you would engage brain before accessing keyboard.

Attacking an active player (before sending any messages) because they are removing the city of a suspended player which was settled 3 squares away is utterly ridiculous.

We would have been well within rights to just declare war. As it is we tried diplomacy (after their unreasonable attacks) and only after VALAR refused to budge a single inch (and had the temerity to ask for compensation for their own attack) did we resort to a heavily limited engagement.

If you want to complain about lack of diplomacy - go moan at the VALAR fools.

Thanks for the cash - I'll use it to buy Malph some items to help his cause.

LOTS - you fail reading comprehension try again.


Edited by KillerPoodle - 09 May 2012 at 05:25
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Originally posted by Taelin Taelin wrote:

H? demand compensation for the loss of 4500 T2 Cav and 1000T2 Archers at 29 million plus build time.

VALAR have declined to pay this and now stand to have it taken by force and be punished if we resist.

Well, I was going to post something along the lines of:

H? would quite reasonably want to clear a suspended city that is close enough to impinge on their Sov, even though their behaviour here is excessively imperious. However, for H? to demand compensation for losses they suffered when attacking another Alliance's town, is simply extortion. Taelin: you are right, but H? are more powerful - pay the money they are extorting from you, and save yourself a world of pain - you've already experienced how obnoxious H? can be if they feel so inclined, and 29 million is a small price to pay to avoid that misery.

But now, I don't have to:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

 Your blood money is on the way.  How much is your self respect worth?

CountToTimingCarryingView
1KillerPoodle's [H?]
Town: NE-Poodleville		1hr 39m 33s
Gold
29000000
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Rill rocks.


Edited by LordOfTheSwamp - 09 May 2012 at 05:11
"A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander.
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