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I apologize,  I just realized I was calling them valor (spell check).  Valar is the name.  

So you see the Valar alliance as the victim in this matter?  They lost a player then lost a city.  They were disrespected by not being contacted first.  Valid.  Very valid.  

But what of their action against an active member of another alliance?  surely this is also frowned upon.  So Harmless feels their player was wrongfully attacked.  Valid.  Very valid.

What has come of this?  Harmless seems to have openly admitted their wrong doing but stand firm that the city was over-due for removal.  I remember reading a public apology regarding that.  They are now seeking recompense for the attack which was made and which they have been publicly smeared and ridiculed for demanding.  It seems to be a matter of principle for them that another alliance would openly attack an active players siege to defend an inactive players city.



I am still confused and not sure I am fully understanding.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:30
Originally posted by PirateKing PirateKing wrote:

Defensive?  I feel as thought i am misunderstanding.  was this player planning on coming back?

If I started sieiging inactives in your alliances (assuming you have any) you're telling me you wouldn't say something along the lines of "Yo! Get off our cities bro!" and then move in to clear the sieges? It may not be defending a player but it is defending something that most people would consider still theirs. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:25
Originally posted by PirateKing PirateKing wrote:

Originally posted by Southern Dwarf Southern Dwarf wrote:

action first diplomacy never 

 Power makes right is H?'s bread and butter.
It seems to me this has been raging for a few weeks.  Though I am just reading it now (never been to the H forum) I am surprised you can claim action above diplomacy.  Hasn't diplomacy already been exhausted over these last few weeks? 

No, and that's the problem.  H? did not make any attempt to contact Valar to discuss the situation.  Valar launched an army before they contacted H? (or simultaneously with the contact).  Both sides acted hastily without sufficient regard for resolving the situation by diplomatic means.  Both sides share the fault.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:23
Originally posted by PirateKing PirateKing wrote:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

PirateKing, attacking an army sieging one of your alliance mates, active or inactive, is not an aggressive act.  It is a defensive one.
Defensive?  I feel as thought i am misunderstanding.  was this player planning on coming back?

Alliances have the right to defend the cities of all their players, regardless of their level of inactivity.  If Suspended players were not considered to be part of an alliance, then they would be removed upon being Suspended.  If you think this is the way the game should work, then I suggest you mention it on the Suggestions forum.

Until that point I think it is most reasonable to treat all players in an alliance the same, without regard to whether one believes or knows them to be inactive.  It's an issue of respect for the alliance.  The question of sieging suspended or inactive players has come up before, and I have said the same thing elsewhere.  I don't think there should be special rules for Valar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:22
Originally posted by Southern Dwarf Southern Dwarf wrote:

action first diplomacy never 

 Power makes right is H?'s bread and butter.
It seems to me this has been raging for a few weeks.  Though I am just reading it now (never been to the H forum) I am surprised you can claim action above diplomacy.  Hasn't diplomacy already been exhausted over these last few weeks? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:17
Malph was reckless even before he got to H? but his mentality of action first diplomacy never suits H? perfectly. No surprise here. Power makes right is H?'s bread and butter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:17
"Someone who didn't care enough about their alliance or his mates to even stay in the game"....?
Wow. Sounds like you really know the guy and the circumstances for him leaving, as well as his feelings. Please share.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:15
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

PirateKing, attacking an army sieging one of your alliance mates, active or inactive, is not an aggressive act.  It is a defensive one.
Defensive?  I feel as thought i am misunderstanding.  was this player planning on coming back?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:13
PirateKing, attacking an army sieging one of your alliance mates, active or inactive, is not an aggressive act.  It is a defensive one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 07:10
KP, I was contacted by Valar.  I also heard about the issue from some H? players.  As I said, I was consulting with my fellow Rooks on how best to handle the situation.

But I want to ask that you cease making this issue about me.  Let's focus on principles, not personalities.
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