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` Noki` "BANE had previously tried and failed to siege Aemonn's fifth city, but 714 tried again and, this time, succeeded."

Yes this was a failure, though it really was not intended to do much except have troops thrown at it. Which it was successful in that aspect as there was maybe 200 or so attacks on it comprising of a few hundred cav each time with a green commander, with none of those small units killing cats only those larger attacks doing so and excellent K/D ratio for us. 
This was unlike the prior town of Aemonn, no 4 i think, which he exodused away without any inbound armies just reinforcements on the mountain. As he didnt exo again I ordered a siege in as i knew something would happen. 

The successful siege of that town on the second go was comprised mostly of bane troops again. 714 was closer and was able to keep rotating cav through it to raze.

I Exodused a town right in the middle of a group of DB players hoping they would siege me, alas that did not happen. 
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Another intersting action that Dark Blight undertook. Dark Blight counterattacked hyo after he ran his Knight army through a Dark Blight town. Dark Blight put together a siege train on hyo to give him a headache or kill his cav. There was a small gap between the clearing forces and the siege attacking forces where we slipped in the reinforcements to wipe out 588 cat. 

I was also giving Aemon a hard time with small siege trains of about 150 -300 cats or so, as I was on my phone sending them, there was a bit of lag, I got a little carried away and he put his reinforcements in there after the larger siege attack armies went through, lost somewhere between 120-180 cats I think. Great timing aemon, haven't sent another army on my tablet or phone since.  

Once this war is over I hope to tell a couple more. It is good to talk about individual sieges/actions taken for the histories. 
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Well told Malek and hats off to BANE and Dark Blight.
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Regarding the consone war, I remember how Vic waited for around a week from the declaration on war against absa before coming to their aide so that things can cool down (and everyone knows why that didn't happen). Though I generally don't mind what HM has to say but his constant attacks on jaesche does bother me a little as he was amongst the most honorable people I 've ever interacted with in illy. I don't know how an alliance which wants to usurp power will wait for 7 days before declaring a war when it doesn't necessarily has to?
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Um no - they sent armies immediately and I believe most of the declarations were pretty quick too.
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Do Check the facts, I know you are not in the habit but a person should always change for the better
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Originally posted by Malek Malek wrote:

` Noki` "BANE had previously tried and failed to siege Aemonn's fifth city, but 714 tried again and, this time, succeeded."

Yes this was a failure, though it really was not intended to do much except have troops thrown at it. Which it was successful in that aspect as there was maybe 200 or so attacks on it comprising of a few hundred cav each time with a green commander, with none of those small units killing cats only those larger attacks doing so and excellent K/D ratio for us. 
This was unlike the prior town of Aemonn, no 4 i think, which he exodused away without any inbound armies just reinforcements on the mountain. As he didnt exo again I ordered a siege in as i knew something would happen. 

The successful siege of that town on the second go was comprised mostly of bane troops again. 714 was closer and was able to keep rotating cav through it to raze.

I Exodused a town right in the middle of a group of DB players hoping they would siege me, alas that did not happen. 
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Another intersting action that Dark Blight undertook. Dark Blight counterattacked hyo after he ran his Knight army through a Dark Blight town. Dark Blight put together a siege train on hyo to give him a headache or kill his cav. There was a small gap between the clearing forces and the siege attacking forces where we slipped in the reinforcements to wipe out 588 cat. 

I was also giving Aemon a hard time with small siege trains of about 150 -300 cats or so, as I was on my phone sending them, there was a bit of lag, I got a little carried away and he put his reinforcements in there after the larger siege attack armies went through, lost somewhere between 120-180 cats I think. Great timing aemon, haven't sent another army on my tablet or phone since.  

Once this war is over I hope to tell a couple more. It is good to talk about individual sieges/actions taken for the histories. 
I dunno, I would say that the siege of 05 couldn't have been handled more effectively by us. The small attacks meant that we got a nearly 2:1 kill ratio- 40k troops to kill 70k. You may disagree with these figures, my records are haphazard.

05 and 04 were both supposed to be exodused as they were next to mountains and had troops on said mountain. The only reason 05 wasn't exodused was because of a 30d research queue (I know.). So you were kinda lucky then.

Your town that you exodused was a great example of why we need counterclaiming back. Without counterclaiming we were more or less powerless to stop you. However, since I was pretty sure you wanted us to put a siege there because of the building (we already knew about your stals) I didn't bother sieging. We just hit it with some troops and blockaded it.

The Hyo op taught us to be a lot more careful with our RT. The operation put our RT capabilities back by an annoyingly large amount. Luckily we were able to return the favour when we took out your 120cats and 4k stals.
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Originally posted by BellusRex BellusRex wrote:

 

"Held" as in past tense.


Yes ... if we want to be totally correct I should have written "had been holding"

Originally posted by BellusRex BellusRex wrote:


And yes, it's perfectly reasonable to want H? removed from control without seeking that control yourself.

 
Please do explain me that reasoning if you have some time ... Smile

Because as far as I know there has never been an example of a power struggle "just for the fun of it" ... someone eventually WILL have to fill in the shoes of the people that vacated them ... and more often than not, the more obscure and dubious the line of "succession" is, the more trouble that spells towards stability (numerous historical examples of that) as a whole.



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Originally posted by Nokigon Nokigon wrote:

Originally posted by Malek Malek wrote:

` Noki` "BANE had previously tried and failed to siege Aemonn's fifth city, but 714 tried again and, this time, succeeded."

Yes this was a failure, though it really was not intended to do much except have troops thrown at it. Which it was successful in that aspect as there was maybe 200 or so attacks on it comprising of a few hundred cav each time with a green commander, with none of those small units killing cats only those larger attacks doing so and excellent K/D ratio for us. 
This was unlike the prior town of Aemonn, no 4 i think, which he exodused away without any inbound armies just reinforcements on the mountain. As he didnt exo again I ordered a siege in as i knew something would happen. 

The successful siege of that town on the second go was comprised mostly of bane troops again. 714 was closer and was able to keep rotating cav through it to raze.

I Exodused a town right in the middle of a group of DB players hoping they would siege me, alas that did not happen. 
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Another intersting action that Dark Blight undertook. Dark Blight counterattacked hyo after he ran his Knight army through a Dark Blight town. Dark Blight put together a siege train on hyo to give him a headache or kill his cav. There was a small gap between the clearing forces and the siege attacking forces where we slipped in the reinforcements to wipe out 588 cat. 

I was also giving Aemon a hard time with small siege trains of about 150 -300 cats or so, as I was on my phone sending them, there was a bit of lag, I got a little carried away and he put his reinforcements in there after the larger siege attack armies went through, lost somewhere between 120-180 cats I think. Great timing aemon, haven't sent another army on my tablet or phone since.  

Once this war is over I hope to tell a couple more. It is good to talk about individual sieges/actions taken for the histories. 
I dunno, I would say that the siege of 05 couldn't have been handled more effectively by us. The small attacks meant that we got a nearly 2:1 kill ratio- 40k troops to kill 70k. You may disagree with these figures, my records are haphazard.

05 and 04 were both supposed to be exodused as they were next to mountains and had troops on said mountain. The only reason 05 wasn't exodused was because of a 30d research queue (I know.). So you were kinda lucky then.

Your town that you exodused was a great example of why we need counterclaiming back. Without counterclaiming we were more or less powerless to stop you. However, since I was pretty sure you wanted us to put a siege there because of the building (we already knew about your stals) I didn't bother sieging. We just hit it with some troops and blockaded it.

The Hyo op taught us to be a lot more careful with our RT. The operation put our RT capabilities back by an annoyingly large amount. Luckily we were able to return the favour when we took out your 120cats and 4k stals.

30 Day Research, ouch no need for sabo attacks on that one. 
 
As to counterclaiming, I could not agree more. I have seen numerous instances since the pause of it where counterclaiming could have made a difference. This being one, The NC town exoing into the middle of NAAM towns another. I think Amporphias did it as well in the MM area, not quite sure on that one. 
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Originally posted by Gossip Boy Gossip Boy wrote:

Do Check the facts, I know you are not in the habit but a person should always change for the better


Troll.

Vic issued a recall of tourney troops on the 7th Oct and had troops in motion towards the siege on the 9th/10th Oct.  Much less than a week after hostilities started. Maybe you should take your own advice.
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KP ... there have been many inconsistencies in your claims over time. (Btw I remember HM mentioning how consistent H? was... )

I am to tired to keep summing them up. But here we go again for at least 2 of them. 

First... Breaking sieges was never considered an offensive action by H?(and by it's "allies", would use other words but trying to keep calm and not resort to offensive words) .... 
.... off course, when it suited you best and you could do the breaking in the past. 

When Invictus send in troops to break sieges, (read point one, NOT offensive) H? warned VIC that it was considered an offensive action... how weird?

Second...

Jasche, the one you keep trying to pull down, but the one who has also always been the most CONSISTENT player to be called true to his word, actually called back all attacks against those sieges, even when most of invictus players hated doing so. See... we do stand by our friends. (Something you and yours so loudly applauded when it benefited you. But suddenly it was something considered evil and offensive. ) How bold you and yours were saying that confeds not standing by their friends were not worth their money... 

Consone did that, stood by it's confeds and they broke sieges, they DID NOT initiate sieges. 
Cry foul play all you want... Inconsistency two! 

Even when Jasche ordered it, and we didn't like his orders, all attacks were kept back after that. And you, being so militairy oriented knew that attacks launched could not be called back. 

All you had to say to that was "well... they could have been send in after the call went out".

I have to admit.... Jasche called your bluff, and you miserably failed at meeting it.... If I had still been leader of Invictus you would indeed have managed to goad me into the war you wanted all along. Not with Jasche... 
But you wanted that war, ... it was evident from the beginning. And if Consone/Jasche was willing to go this far... what then??? ... If you had accepted what he had offered then you would have never been able to pull off your precious war again. So you had to go forward even though the foundations of it were failing beneath your feet as it happened. 

Gratz, you won.... for a while (hmmmm this sounds familiar?)  

Sorry... two points where you lost my respect. And two points where I had my eyes on the whole situation. 

I don't mind people who actually roleplay. If they ARE really roleplaying and not just hiding behind it to insult people. 
I also don't mind people who are honest enough to say "I am just in it for the war". 
What I do mind is alliances such as H? claiming time and time again that they are not the aggressors. 
If you want to play that card try to give it at least a LOT more effort or don't come up with cheap tricks/lies like this. 

Truelly.... these were only 2 of the things that really made me lose my respect for H? .... 

Not even going to go into all the other times. 

(edited for spelling errors, was to angry when i posted this, and still am)






Edited by Shadar Logoth - 23 Feb 2014 at 20:29
More Orc, less talking!

All that is said is my own opinion. I am not a leader nor voice for Invictus. I will always abide by Invictus's rules.
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