Grandpa... tell us about the war

You're still missing both points.

Sending troops to get a new alliance involved in a war is an escalation, regardless of what those troops are going to do.

Had it been a smaller and less scary alliance there would have been no attempts at diplomacy. Jasche's attempts were too little, too late and for the wrong reasons.

Not sure why gossip and shadar are so set on dredging up the past but whatever.

Shadar Logoth wrote:   First... Breaking sieges was never considered an offensive action by H?

I don't think so.  Firstly because I do not recall ever saying anything of the sort (but I don't claim perfect recall so feel free to refresh my memory with some proof).

Second, from the very beginning H? is one of the few alliances who truly understood that the moment you put your diplos and troops out there you are opening yourself up to a response regardless of how "right" you think you are.

It doesn't mean you have to agree with the response, but it's always a possibility. This is something Consone and Jasche never "got".

KP ... there have been many inconsistencies in your claims over time. (Btw I remember HM mentioning how consistent H? was... )

Edited by Shadar Logoth - 23 Feb 2014 at 20:29

Nokigon wrote: Malek wrote: ` Noki` "BANE had previously tried and failed to siege Aemonn's fifth city, but 714 tried again and, this time, succeeded." Yes this was a failure, though it really was not intended to do much except have troops thrown at it. Which it was successful in that aspect as there was maybe 200 or so attacks on it comprising of a few hundred cav each time with a green commander, with none of those small units killing cats only those larger attacks doing so and excellent K/D ratio for us.  This was unlike the prior town of Aemonn, no 4 i think, which he exodused away without any inbound armies just reinforcements on the mountain. As he didnt exo again I ordered a siege in as i knew something would happen.  The successful siege of that town on the second go was comprised mostly of bane troops again. 714 was closer and was able to keep rotating cav through it to raze. I Exodused a town right in the middle of a group of DB players hoping they would siege me, alas that did not happen.  ---------------------------------- Another intersting action that Dark Blight undertook. Dark Blight counterattacked hyo after he ran his Knight army through a Dark Blight town. Dark Blight put together a siege train on hyo to give him a headache or kill his cav. There was a small gap between the clearing forces and the siege attacking forces where we slipped in the reinforcements to wipe out 588 cat.  I was also giving Aemon a hard time with small siege trains of about 150 -300 cats or so, as I was on my phone sending them, there was a bit of lag, I got a little carried away and he put his reinforcements in there after the larger siege attack armies went through, lost somewhere between 120-180 cats I think. Great timing aemon, haven't sent another army on my tablet or phone since.   Once this war is over I hope to tell a couple more. It is good to talk about individual sieges/actions taken for the histories.  I dunno, I would say that the siege of 05 couldn't have been handled more effectively by us. The small attacks meant that we got a nearly 2:1 kill ratio- 40k troops to kill 70k. You may disagree with these figures, my records are haphazard. 05 and 04 were both supposed to be exodused as they were next to mountains and had troops on said mountain. The only reason 05 wasn't exodused was because of a 30d research queue (I know.). So you were kinda lucky then. Your town that you exodused was a great example of why we need counterclaiming back. Without counterclaiming we were more or less powerless to stop you. However, since I was pretty sure you wanted us to put a siege there because of the building (we already knew about your stals) I didn't bother sieging. We just hit it with some troops and blockaded it. The Hyo op taught us to be a lot more careful with our RT. The operation put our RT capabilities back by an annoyingly large amount. Luckily we were able to return the favour when we took out your 120cats and 4k stals.

Malek wrote: ` Noki` "BANE had previously tried and failed to siege Aemonn's fifth city, but 714 tried again and, this time, succeeded." Yes this was a failure, though it really was not intended to do much except have troops thrown at it. Which it was successful in that aspect as there was maybe 200 or so attacks on it comprising of a few hundred cav each time with a green commander, with none of those small units killing cats only those larger attacks doing so and excellent K/D ratio for us.  This was unlike the prior town of Aemonn, no 4 i think, which he exodused away without any inbound armies just reinforcements on the mountain. As he didnt exo again I ordered a siege in as i knew something would happen.  The successful siege of that town on the second go was comprised mostly of bane troops again. 714 was closer and was able to keep rotating cav through it to raze. I Exodused a town right in the middle of a group of DB players hoping they would siege me, alas that did not happen.  ---------------------------------- Another intersting action that Dark Blight undertook. Dark Blight counterattacked hyo after he ran his Knight army through a Dark Blight town. Dark Blight put together a siege train on hyo to give him a headache or kill his cav. There was a small gap between the clearing forces and the siege attacking forces where we slipped in the reinforcements to wipe out 588 cat.  I was also giving Aemon a hard time with small siege trains of about 150 -300 cats or so, as I was on my phone sending them, there was a bit of lag, I got a little carried away and he put his reinforcements in there after the larger siege attack armies went through, lost somewhere between 120-180 cats I think. Great timing aemon, haven't sent another army on my tablet or phone since.   Once this war is over I hope to tell a couple more. It is good to talk about individual sieges/actions taken for the histories.