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Loud Whispers 
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 Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 02:14 |
 Kumomoto wrote:
No, LW. It's like playing chess against a person who, when being down by 6 pieces, storms away from the game accusing you of forcing them to play a game they never wanted to play in the first place. Remember that this person had every opportunity and capability of never being in this war...
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And I don't see anything in the OP begrudging his conquerors for defeating him at war. Only that he cannot play in something he believes "is just a war game." And thereupon lies my gripe about why it's suddenly ok to begin insulting a defeated foe you'll never have to deal with again, because he supposedly stated a correct opinion held by H? & co. players.
Angrim wrote:
Southern Dwarf wrote:
who just wish to turn Illy in said wargame.
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It is just as wrong to say that illy is only war as it is to try to take war out of it. |
I've never seen anyone trying to call for the demilitarization of Illyriad, nor the abuse of players by angry pacifists wielding careavans and clay.
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Angrim
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 02:08 |
Loud Whispers wrote:
Southern Dwarf wrote:
who just wish to turn Illy in said wargame. |
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it is just as wrong to say that illy is only war as it is to try to take war out of it. illyriad without the potential for war would be like poker without wagering. it is the threat of war that makes players accountable for their actions. if war were to become impossible, there would be no value to peace.
this thread presents a false dilemma between two games, neither of which is illy.
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 02:06 |
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No, LW. It's like playing chess against a person who, when being down by 6 pieces, storms away from the game accusing you of forcing them to play a game they never wanted to play in the first place. Remember that this person had every opportunity and capability of never being in this war...
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Rorgash
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 02:04 |
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Well if you are happy that words no matter serious or with real feeling is worth something then I am so glad we got you here to show us the right path to being politically correct :)
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Loud Whispers
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 01:58 |
Rorgash wrote:
otherwise shouldn't you be crying your eyes out for all those people who died of starvation while you wrote that post instead of writing it?
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No. Because crying my eyes out does nothing; nor do I have the power to change world infrastructure to ensure equal food distribution. By typing that out I can at least attempt to make a few people I will probably never meet in my life understand that across the internets behind a screen sits another person, and it behoves us to understand that it's the innumerable small acts of kindness that keep us living through hardships like hunger. World issues are things that can only be addressed united as a species, whereas these things are very much our own issues that only reflect on our individual selves.
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It's a two way street. How about "I'm sorry I joined an aggressive coalition and didn't leave the alliance when it went to war (and wouldn't have been touched), but decided to stay and fight, even though I'm a pacifist, but now that we are clearly losing, I am quitting and blaming the folks I fought against for having war when I belonged to a warlike coalition in the first place".
But that might have looked (rightly) a bit hypocritical.
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Perhaps from your viewpoint. But from an isolationist's view, this mess has gotten so convoluted no outsider can tell what the hell is going on and who attacked who first, and I can say it's best to view each person as their own individual instead of one blobby mass of alliance. In any case Southern Dwarf said nothing of any blame beyond saying ". . . H?" are turning Illyriad into nothing more than a war game. I'm not even going into the specifics of whether or not Southern Dwarf had any role in deciding his alliance's policies or its decision in joining Consone, nor if he joined just to have war and die, mainly because I have no idea about that. But honestly, even if he did and this is all somehow his doing, it would be the difference between shaking hands with someone you've just won a long game of chess with and flipping the table over at his face because he blamed you for checkmating him.
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 01:47 |
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It's a two way street. How about "I'm sorry I joined an aggressive coalition and didn't leave the alliance when it went to war (and wouldn't have been touched), but decided to stay and fight, even though I'm a pacifist, but now that we are clearly losing, I am quitting and blaming the folks I fought against for having war when I belonged to a warlike coalition in the first place".
But that might have looked (rightly) a bit hypocritical.
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Rorgash
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 01:42 |
really?
i find those that always has to tell people how sorry they are for them is the sociopathic ones. we all know that people dont really care for anyone not close by them in relation :/
otherwise shouldn't you be crying your eyes out for all those people who died of starvation while you wrote that post instead of writing it?
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Loud Whispers
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 01:37 |
Kumomoto wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone doesn't want him/her to leave. Nobody in H? wants any player to leave. But taking a parting cheap shot at your enemy for actions that he or she chose that have consequences, just because he/she is losing has an amazingly diminutive effect on the sympathy factor...
If one were to say a hearty "goodbye" then I think you'd get a 100% "sorry to see you leave, mate!"...
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And that's just the thing. Southern Dwarf didn't actually make any cheap shots - he said there were H? players
Southern Dwarf wrote:
who just wish to turn Illy in said wargame. |
And this is something that quite a few players actually AGREE with, as such:
Rorgash wrote:
He whine that there is war in a war game |
And if you genuinely believe Illyriad is just a war game, then it should be no insult if Southern Dwarf is saying he is leaving Illyriad because he wrongly joined believing it was anything more than a war game.
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Also being politically correct and always care and be sensitive is bullsh*t. |
And when your enemy is defeated and leaving, this is your chance to show what kind of person you are; and some of you respond by being immature at best and subjectively sociopathic at worst.
Not to say that it's limited to any specific alliance, indeed it is quite surprising to see some of those most in favour of the Great Trove War showing the most respect, but if you felt that you were wrongly singled out in the OP or that opinion of H? was false in any way, a simple "sorry you're leaving, but I feel the need to mention H? actually wants/believes in x over y," would have been a much better alternative to this poorly handled mess.
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 01:18 |
Loud Whispers wrote:
The behaviour expressed by some in this thread is abhorrent. Someone leaves on a critical note and too many people respond by making horrible remarks, non constructive criticism and insults.If this person is leaving as a result of having all their progress shattered to pieces, then they obviously have cause to be bitter. If you can honestly objectively look at it; both sides believe they are fighting on the right side and for any to feel like it is necessary to leave as a consequence of losing everything, it should be handled with a bit of empathy and sensitivity. It should be the duty of Illyriad's community to make sure that this departing isn't an excuse to kick someone while they're down. Even enemies can show respect. Congratulations to those who actually managed to say goodbye like a decent person. |
I'm pretty sure everyone doesn't want him/her to leave. Nobody in H? wants any player to leave. But taking a parting cheap shot at your enemy for actions that he or she chose that have consequences, just because he/she is losing has an amazingly diminutive effect on the sympathy factor... If one were to say a hearty "goodbye" then I think you'd get a 100% "sorry to see you leave, mate!"...
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Rorgash
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 01:10 |
He whine that there is war in a war game, if he didnt want war there are a million ways to never notice it.
Also being politically correct and always care and be sensitive is bullsh*t.
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