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Anjire 
Postmaster
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 Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 17:52 |
 GM Luna wrote:
Rather than relying on third parties to answer questions about rules, contact me directly. I answer PMs on the forums, in game mails and can be contacted at community@illyriad.co.uk.
Much more reliable than "I heard once from somewhere that one time someone said that Luna said something about something."
I stated the rule in this thread, Innoble quoted the ToS documentation (thank you). I don't think the point needs to be belabored further.
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The third party response by GM Stormcrow to petition 3808 indicates a contrary position at one time, at least as of 7/9/2011
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GM Luna
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Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 17:59 |
Anjire wrote:
GM Luna wrote:
Rather than relying on third parties to answer questions about rules, contact me directly. I answer PMs on the forums, in game mails and can be contacted at community@illyriad.co.uk.
Much more reliable than "I heard once from somewhere that one time someone said that Luna said something about something."
I stated the rule in this thread, Innoble quoted the ToS documentation (thank you). I don't think the point needs to be belabored further.
Luna |
The third party response by GM Stormcrow to petition 3808 indicates a contrary position at one time, at least as of 7/9/2011
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As I stated, the rule is as I said earlier. Sharing accounts and giving them away is against the rules.
This is a rule that exists, created by Illyriad Games Ltd. This is confirmed by GM SC and relayed to you by me, right now, in this post.
I don't just make these things up for fun and post them for no reason. If I didn't know better I'd say you guys don't trust me or take the things I say seriously. :) (That was a joke.)
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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk 
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dunnoob
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Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 18:09 |
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If Saromir wants to give his towns to his alliance he could find a sitter in his alliance. The sitter can organize the plundering / capturing / razing or whatever as the alliance wants it, and at some point stop to do anything for the de facto abandoned account. After some weeks or months of inactivity the system will clean up what is left. If Saromir has unused prestige he can deposit it in the alliance pool, problem solved.
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
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Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 18:09 |
GM LUNA wrote:
If I didn't know better I'd say you guys don't trust me or take the things I say seriously. :) (That was a joke.) |
And quite a funny one too. ; )
Edited by abstractdream - 11 Aug 2012 at 18:11
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abstractdream
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Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 18:12 |
dunnoob wrote:
If Saromir wants to give his towns to his alliance he could find a sitter in his alliance. The sitter can organize the plundering / capturing / razing or whatever as the alliance wants it, and at some point stop to do anything for the de facto abandoned account. After some weeks or months of inactivity the system will clean up what is left. If Saromir has unused prestige he can deposit it in the alliance pool, problem solved. |
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Silverlake
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Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 18:12 |
Rill wrote:
I personally am fine with not allowing accounts to be transferred between players. However, this practice has been allowed in the past, and when I've inquired about it specifically I was told that it was OK, as long as no player had more than two accounts at a time.
So my question is, has there been a change in this? I don't care what the rule is, as long as I know what the rule is.
There have been some very clearly defined transfers of accounts from person to person that the devs were aware of, in at least one case even performing a gender change to the account to match the new owner. (That was quite some ago, back when Illy was much smaller.)
So clearly at one time transfers of accounts from one person to another were allowed. I am pretty sure even Luna said at one time or another during her tenure that it was allowed. However, now it seems to be not allowed.
So I'd like to clarify:
1) Is it correct to say that transfer of an account from one player to another is never allowed?
2) When did this change?
3) What about accounts that were transferred in the past, when this was allowed?
4) If you are willing to give a rationale for the change, I'm interested in hearing it.
To make it clear, I do not have an opinion one way or the other about this. As someone who often answers questions, I just want to make sure I have my facts straight.
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Drejan
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Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 18:21 |
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Actually Luna i can say account transfer was allowed explicitily for long time if you have no more than 2 accounts. I can remember events like those since i joined this game near 2 years ago with GM involved too. Now they might be all against rules, and you have the rights to changes rules as you like, but i agree with Rill some clarification would be approciated.
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Silverlake
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Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 19:09 |
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I guess the point is... you can't change past allowances because someone new comes on board, this just makes for uncomfortable situations.
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Quackers
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Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 20:20 |
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I don't get why this is so hard to understand. What has happened in the past is NOT allowed anymore. Sharing passwords and giving away accounts is now against the rules. So that means you cannot do it anymore. Simple as that.
And as with all things GMs have the final say. If a GM allowed it once before then it was allowed for that one time only. You cannot bring up past instances and say they are still in the rules when a GM has expressed they are now against the rules.
As with anything you disagree on send a petition expressing your reason and see what they say.
I asked a gm last year or the start of this year if I can give away my account and they told me it was against the rules.
Edited by Quackers - 11 Aug 2012 at 20:21
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Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so you will not be dependent on anybody.
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LordOfTheSwamp
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Joined: 23 May 2011
Location: Swamp of Fyrgis
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Posted: 15 Aug 2012 at 15:24 |
As a personal thought...
When I started playing Illy a couple of years ago, everything was pretty informal. The GMs were laid back and reasonable, and as a result people took liberties. And I don't mean "people" as a way to point fingers at other folks - I, too, became involved in that.
Before I played Kurdruk, I had another a/c, which I got bored with. So I stopped playing and restarted as Kurdruk. A while later I happened to mention to someone that I had another account that I didn't use or care about. "Oh, can I have the password - X wants another account...?" I figured "yeah, why not?" That account then went through several owners, and ended up being used in a somewhat questionable way (it was the "leader" of a mid-sized alliance, and very few people knew that it wasn't a real player - I knew, but had no idea who was really behind it.)
This is just one example. My point (if I'm not rambling too much) is that as Illy has grown, the GMs have had to tighten up on a few things. The Bitter Sea was deleted, for example. Transfering accounts is now frowned upon. Swearing in the forums has been clamped down on.
Most people being reasonable = a few people not being reasonable, and as Illy grows that becomes more and more people. It's kind of weird to think of it this way, but maybe the GMs have to be less laid back simply because there are more players - i.e. because Illy is more successful.
Edited by LordOfTheSwamp - 15 Aug 2012 at 15:26
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